JCZ5
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Wow didn't expect the higher age range. OP should have put a poll in.
I have a FL5 incoming, just turned 35, so a birthday present to myself
I have a FL5 incoming, just turned 35, so a birthday present to myself
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We just got our FL5, and I have to say it's not quite what I was hoping for. I loved my 2017 Sport hatch 6mT, traded that (with 90k miles) for a 2020 Si, loved that even more. I expected a similar bump with the FL5, but I find it feels big and refined, and not quite what I was looking for. It's extremely capable, and absolutely gorgeous to look at, but I think I prefered the 2020 Si, it felt smaller, more tossable and responsive, if that makes sense.I'm 60 years old. My previous car was a 2007 Si (FA5) w/185k miles, I do miss the high revving K20Z3, still not quite used to the FL5
I’m sure time will tell if it’s the right car or not. It’s interesting how we all see different pros and cons with cars as enthusiasts. I certainly have my ups and downs with the FL5, as I have with any car I’ve owned. Coming from an Accord 6-6 coupe and a 2006 Si coupe before that, I find this car to be the best handling and most nimble car I’ve ever had. It doesn’t feel big or overly refined, and yet, I find it to be very comfortable. Sure it’s a little stiff, but driving over rough surfaces seems more comfortable than my old Si, and its definitely more forgiving than the M2s I’ve driven. However, I do miss the response of a NA engine, quite a bit actually. I also don’t love the fact that full power isn’t available or useful in the first 2 gears because of FWD. Those 2 things make it feel far less entertaining at times. The only car that I would consider to solve those problems at a similar price point would be a 6th gen Camaro, but then I would have to look at it.We just got our FL5, and I have to say it's not quite what I was hoping for. I loved my 2017 Sport hatch 6mT, traded that (with 90k miles) for a 2020 Si, loved that even more. I expected a similar bump with the FL5, but I find it feels big and refined, and not quite what I was looking for. It's extremely capable, and absolutely gorgeous to look at, but I think I prefered the 2020 Si, it felt smaller, more tossable and responsive, if that makes sense.
The FL5 feels almost like a BMW without the comfort. Hopefully I'll warm up to it. At 57 maybe I'm finally too old for a Type R.
Hate to read this. I recall you were waiting for this for years. Perhaps you got sucked into the FL5 hype machine. Too much time to hear, read, observe, and internalize how amazing the car is. At that point the hype distorts expectations and there's no way for the car to live up once you actually drive it.We just got our FL5, and I have to say it's not quite what I was hoping for. I loved my 2017 Sport hatch 6mT, traded that (with 90k miles) for a 2020 Si, loved that even more. I expected a similar bump with the FL5, but I find it feels big and refined, and not quite what I was looking for. It's extremely capable, and absolutely gorgeous to look at, but I think I prefered the 2020 Si, it felt smaller, more tossable and responsive, if that makes sense.
The FL5 feels almost like a BMW without the comfort. Hopefully I'll warm up to it. At 57 maybe I'm finally too old for a Type R.
I kind of get it. I'm 66 and like everything about it except that the FL5 is a big car now! I feel like I'm driving an Accord or something.We just got our FL5, and I have to say it's not quite what I was hoping for. I loved my 2017 Sport hatch 6mT, traded that (with 90k miles) for a 2020 Si, loved that even more. I expected a similar bump with the FL5, but I find it feels big and refined, and not quite what I was looking for. It's extremely capable, and absolutely gorgeous to look at, but I think I prefered the 2020 Si, it felt smaller, more tossable and responsive, if that makes sense.
The FL5 feels almost like a BMW without the comfort. Hopefully I'll warm up to it. At 57 maybe I'm finally too old for a Type R.
It does make sense.We just got our FL5, and I have to say it's not quite what I was hoping for. I loved my 2017 Sport hatch 6mT, traded that (with 90k miles) for a 2020 Si, loved that even more. I expected a similar bump with the FL5, but I find it feels big and refined, and not quite what I was looking for. It's extremely capable, and absolutely gorgeous to look at, but I think I prefered the 2020 Si, it felt smaller, more tossable and responsive, if that makes sense.
The FL5 feels almost like a BMW without the comfort. Hopefully I'll warm up to it. At 57 maybe I'm finally too old for a Type R.
That's exactly it - the car feels expensive and impressive, and somehow that makes me drive it a lot less, like it requires more effort and care to drive it somehow. It's my 5th Civic ('93 EX, '97 GSR, 2017 Sport hatch, 2020 Si) and just seems very different from the previous ones, which were all hop in the car and have fun, lightweight runabouts that I never really worried about dinging or scratching or whatever. I drove a 2000 ITR once and it doesn't really feel like that car, I guess I was hoping it would.It does make sense.
I do not believe it has to do with age... I am 61.
moved from an 07 FA5 Si K20Z3 to the FL5 five months ago
indeed a completely different feel that I am still getting used to, the FA5 from the start fit me like a well used tight fitting glove. it took me a while to find a "good enough" seating position in the FL5.
the FL5 indeed feels bigger (yet only a few inches longer than the FA5), but less space inside and in the trunk (could not fit all the junk I had in the FA5)
incredible grip, have not yet pushed it and lost traction yet, refined, rock solid, comfortable ride (now that I installed the ITS ADS module)
definitely (i.e. not just a "feel") faster, a short straight before a curve on the way home that I was able to take at 75-78 before breaking to 60 with the FA5, I am able to, without much trying, take at 90 before braking to 65 (can probably go faster...)
shift/transmission feels better, smoother (I installed Hybrid Racing short shifter and bushings in both)
no regrets
but I do miss the normally aspirated high revving K20Z3, felt more responsive, more direct connection, more tossable (I installed Koni yellow and Mugen springs at about 130k miles)
I absolutely loved the Jekyll and Hyde personality, very docile under 5k turning into a beast over and to the 8,700 redline. I'd regularly shift it at the redline
I enjoyed driving it hard (but never tracked it), taking curves and onramps as fast as I can with the tires screeching... the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 4 (40k or 45k warranty) lasted only 14k miles (got to love Americas/Discount Tire for giving me full prorated credit!)
the FA5 was, dare I say, more fun to drive...
I find that I am not pushing the FL5 as hard, and I have not yet explored its limits.
attempting to analyze, I do not believe it is because I am older, but probably because the FL5 was so much more expensive (the FA5 was $23k at the time) and irreplaceable?
Yeah, right? I certainly doesn't feel overhyped, it's an extremely impressive car. Just not quite what I was looking for. I'd be curious to drive an 11th gen Si, to see if it's partly the 11th gen vs 10th gen I'm noticing. Not that I'd trade it for an Si, cause it fixes a lot of the issues I had with my Si, like headroom, rev hang and the hatch.Hate to read this. I recall you were waiting for this for years. Perhaps you got sucked into the FL5 hype machine. Too much time to hear, read, observe, and internalize how amazing the car is. At that point the hype distorts expectations and there's no way for the car to live up once you actually drive it.
In terms of physical dimensions, the FL5 is essentially the size of an F80 M3. Sure the FL5 is about 400 lbs lighter, but spatially it's nearly identical. If you're looking for something more tossable or nimble, a GR Corolla, ND Miata, or Golf R may be better suited for that feeling. Get some more seat time in the FL5 and I think you'll know if it works for you or not. Keen to know how you're thinking about this 6 months from now.
Everything you said makes complete sense to me. I went from an ‘09 FA5 (original owner for almost 14 years) to my FL5 in early 2023. It took me awhile to get used to the size of the FL5 too. It’s just so different. Do I miss my old car sometimes? Yes. Absolutely! That car was simple, VERY reliable, and fun. And for $23k I wasn’t worried about breaking anything. But every time I get into my FL5, I’m in love all over again…I especially love having some low end torque for the first time.It does make sense.
I do not believe it has to do with age... I am 61.
moved from an 07 FA5 Si K20Z3 to the FL5 five months ago
indeed a completely different feel that I am still getting used to, the FA5 from the start fit me like a well used tight fitting glove. it took me a while to find a "good enough" seating position in the FL5.
the FL5 indeed feels bigger (yet only a few inches longer than the FA5), but less space inside and in the trunk (could not fit all the junk I had in the FA5)
incredible grip, have not yet pushed it and lost traction yet, refined, rock solid, comfortable ride (now that I installed the ITS ADS module)
definitely (i.e. not just a "feel") faster, a short straight before a curve on the way home that I was able to take at 75-78 before breaking to 60 with the FA5, I am able to, without much trying, take at 90 before braking to 65 (can probably go faster...)
shift/transmission feels better, smoother (I installed Hybrid Racing short shifter and bushings in both)
no regrets
but I do miss the normally aspirated high revving K20Z3, felt more responsive, more direct connection, more tossable (I installed Koni yellow and Mugen springs at about 130k miles)
I absolutely loved the Jekyll and Hyde personality, very docile under 5k turning into a beast over and to the 8,700 redline. I'd regularly shift it at the redline
I enjoyed driving it hard (but never tracked it), taking curves and onramps as fast as I can with the tires screeching... the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 4 (40k or 45k warranty) lasted only 14k miles (got to love Americas/Discount Tire for giving me full prorated credit!)
the FA5 was, dare I say, more fun to drive...
I find that I am not pushing the FL5 as hard, and I have not yet explored its limits.
attempting to analyze, I do not believe it is because I am older, but probably because the FL5 was so much more expensive (the FA5 was $23k at the time) and irreplaceable?