HPT Microtubule Series - FL5 Intercooler

[Bigfx]

Also to be fair this could be the tuners fault and the smoothing factor used for the data, but to attribute this solely to a fmic change doesn’t make sense.

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[siwelnosaj]

Also to be fair this could be the tuners fault and the smoothing factor used for the data, but to attribute this solely to a fmic change doesn’t make sense.

To be honest my personal track testing supports this as well. I literally was 3mph faster on the main straight (131 vs 128). And it was the same comparison from PWR to the microtube.

 

[ABPDE5]

What platform has shown that type of increase from one aftermarket fmic to another?

This one, right here, to start

If you do the math, you'll find the delta between the PRL intercooler (485 WHP) and the PWR intercooler (455) was also approx. 7%. This points to the HPT intercooler having similar performance re: power to the PRL but without the restrictions to cooling and radiator airflow that the PRL unit suffers from. The real takeaway is not that this unit outperforms all other offerings on power; it's that it more or less matches the PRL on power (we don't have a PRL:HPT comparison on the same tune), while beating the PWR on cooling.

I'm not going to start digging through other dyno tests across various car forums to prove to you that 7% is doable with an IC change. I don't care if you believe these results are legitimate or not. My point was that comparing WHP numbers to WHP numbers -- given an identical drivetrain -- and evaluating the delta as a % of the total output is a more effective approach to attempting to quantify the significance of the change than citing an overly aggressive crank HP estimate without relating it to total output.

... and that estimating 60 crank HP given 36 wheel HP is like claiming that your Civic making 360 at the wheels is making 600 at the crank

Is your skepticism warranted? Sure. But, you shouldn't be surprised at the pushback you're receiving given how you originally presented it.

Edit:
I have no horse in this race, and I'll be curious to see more data as more people adopt this product. I just found your "60hp" comment disingenuous. It reads like an over-exaggeration intended to discredit results shared here, and I felt that to be worth a response. After writing some of this, I did scroll up / page back; your other posts in this thread are more conservative in their criticism, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt / assume you meant well. Please give me the same courtesy

Considering the power delta between the PWR and PRL was approx. identical to the delta between the PWR and the HPT, perhaps the question should be: why is the PWR so restrictive?

 

[Cueyo]

I would love for this fmic to give these gains, but I'd also like to see third party data from more reputable and known tuners. The second someone like jester, tsp, or drob mess with this and it's proven, I'm in.

 

[Robo7]

I would love for this fmic to give these gains, but I'd also like to see third party data from more reputable and known tuners. The second someone like jester, tsp, or drob mess with this and it's proven, I'm in.

Yep I second this. Would love to see someone like @Jester04 validate these results against other popular fmics. Sounds too good to be true, and maybe it is true, but I need to see more data.

 

[Jester04]

Yep I second this. Would love to see someone like @Jester04 validate these results against other popular fmics. Sounds too good to be true, and maybe it is true, but I need to see more data.

Well you guys are in luck, I was not physically there but I was immediately called with the results since the tuner that was working on the car is a personal friend of mine and he won’t make up the results. We collaborate in tuning together all the time.

What I do caution is that this setup was tested on a bigger turbo car in which pressure drops and restrictions can play a big role in HP differences. You might not see the same gains on stock turbo car but it is entirely plausible. Once we get a few more cars in with this intercooler we can continue testing. Luckily I’m in PR right now and can validate that this dyno reads properly as I have tested my new car in it and it gave consistent and repeatable results in the expected range.

I am not working with the company and I’m a completely independent party. Just that I will have some info for you guys eventually once more testing is done since I like to share data and provide you with the info so you can make your own decisions.

 

[siwelnosaj]

Well you guys are in luck, I was not physically there but I was immediately called with the results since the tuner that was working on the car is a personal friend of mine and he won’t make up the results. We collaborate in tuning together all the time.

What I do caution is that this setup was tested on a bigger turbo car in which pressure drops and restrictions can play a big role in HP differences. You might not see the same gains on stock turbo car but it is entirely plausible. Once we get a few more cars in with this intercooler we can continue testing. Luckily I’m in PR right now and can validate that this dyno reads properly as I have tested my new car in it and it gave consistent and repeatable results in the expected range.

Thank you for your feedback, much appreciated.

I have a few more units left in this batch to anyone who is interested.

 

[blueroadster]

Very interesting and impressive results...Since the intercooler uses 1,102 individual tubes, how are the tubes secured to the end plates to maintain a positive seal over time? Also, any plans for future batches to offer an anodized finish on the exterior?

 

[siwelnosaj]

Very interesting and impressive results...Since the intercooler uses 1,102 individual tubes, how are the tubes secured to the end plates to maintain a positive seal over time? Also, any plans for future batches to offer an anodized finish on the exterior?

They are sealed to the header with a proprietary epoxy that has a working temperature range of -60°C to 250°C, with a momentary peak of 400℃.

Anodizing in the future is a consideration but not certain at the moment.

On the current batch I have 1 unit left if you're interested.

 

[blueroadster]

They are sealed to the header with a proprietary epoxy that has a working temperature range of -60°C to 250°C, with a momentary peak of 400℃.

Anodizing in the future is a consideration but not certain at the moment.

On the current batch I have 1 unit left if you're interested.

Thanks...Make that none left on the current batch.

 

[siwelnosaj]

Thanks...Make that none left on the current batch.

Next batch due in February, message me if you want to get in on it before it's sold out!

 

[Bishop]

Cost?

 

[siwelnosaj]

Cost?

$1650 shipped

 

[Bishop]

$1650 shipped

Thank you!

 

[Robo7]

They are sealed to the header with a proprietary epoxy that has a working temperature range of -60°C to 250°C, with a momentary peak of 400℃.

Anodizing in the future is a consideration but not certain at the moment.

On the current batch I have 1 unit left if you're interested.

I think I speak for many when I say I’m very interested in this intercooler. I need to see testing results from a true third party. Sorry the internet has made too skeptical. Also I second interest in an anodized version that is darker so the intercooler blends in a bit better. I like a stealthy look. 🥷

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