Hondata FL5 FlashPro released

[mbaapk]

No love for Chicago? Common hondata I will have my wife make fresh cookies if you come.

Yep - ridiculous really. Im not driving 10 hours but id drive 5.

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[RazgrizOne]

They should also do a Buffalo stop if we're putting in requests ?.

 

[Jester04]

The next stops on the Jailbreak Tour are Marysville, OH at Honda Heritage Center September 24 and Orlando, FL Orlando Speedworld Dragway on October 28.

Finally they are coming to my area. Money is ready ?

 

[Clark_Kent]

Wow! That's a mountain of torque! I cannot imagine it will be long before connecting rod failure. Sure looks like a lot of fun though.

 

[Jester04]

Wow! That's a mountain of torque! I cannot imagine it will be long before connecting rod failure. Sure looks like a lot of fun though.

Yeah I would not spike it so hard down low, that is just asking for trouble lol.

 

[ABPDE5]

Are there any OTS tunes that don't target such a high torque load, especially at low rpm?

It seems all the tunes so far prioritize low-end torque (probably because it is immediately obvious to the end-user), but I'd prefer one that prioritizes high-end hp and doesn't put such a brutal load on the motor at low rpm (and might hopeful be safer re: LSPI, rod integrity).

 

[Clark_Kent]

Are there any OTS tunes that don't target such a high torque load, especially at low rpm?

It seems all the tunes so far prioritize low-end torque (probably because it is immediately obvious to the end-user), but I'd prefer one that prioritizes high-end hp and doesn't put such a brutal load on the motor at low rpm (and might hopeful be safer re: LSPI, rod integrity).

The best source of this information is the tuners themselves. As far as I know, @Hondata @phearable @Two Step Performance @OsosikMedia , 1:1 Tuning, Dream Automotive via RaceCal, John Pierro at FK8TD.com, and Gintani offer tuning services for the FL5. I'm certain there are others but those are the tuners that quickly come to mind. Have a discussion with the tuners to talk about their tuning philosophy and methodology. Get to the why. How do they tune (e.g., dyno, street, OTS maps, all of the above)? How iterative is the process between tuner and end-user? Are multiple maps available? How do they care for revisions? What does ongoing support look like? In my experience, the good ones will spend the time with you. Having these discussions and laying out your goals, objectives, and concerns, will go a long way in determining which solution/tuner makes sense for your use case.

 

[Two Step Performance]

The best source of this information is the tuners themselves. As far as I know, @Hondata @phearable @Two Step Performance @OsosikMedia , 1:1 Tuning, Dream Automotive via RaceCal, John Pierro at FK8TD.com, and Gintani offer tuning services for the FL5. I'm certain there are others but those are the tuners that quickly come to mind. Have a discussion with the tuners to talk about their tuning philosophy and methodology. Get to the why. How do they tune (e.g., dyno, street, OTS maps, all of the above)? How iterative is the process between tuner and end-user? Are multiple maps available? How do they care for revisions? What does ongoing support look like? In my experience, the good ones will spend the time with you. Having these discussions and laying out your goals, objectives, and concerns, will go a long way in determining which solution/tuner makes sense for your use case.

You'll find that our tune is both nicer to the engine than what ships with the FlashPro software and produces higher output. I don't want to get too deep into the weeds here but if anyone has any questions please feel free to message me and I am happy to explain.

Engine life is not an area that we compromise on for any of our "off the shelf" stage tunes. Our tunes are heavily street tested by numerous drivers in numerous cars all over the world, getting a good sense of how everything works in consideration of variables such as driver, fuel, and environmental factors. Our tunes are also dyno proven but really this part comes second to being a safe tune and overall great tune to drive with on the street. Adding more power to our stage tunes would not be difficult but you begin to comprise in other areas at that point. With many thousands of TSP tunes delivered over the years, we have found that we we have struck an excellent balance of performance and longevity.

https://www.twostepperformance.com/products/tsp-stage-1-tune-for-the-fl5-2023-honda-civic-type-r

 

[OsosikMedia]

Are there any OTS tunes that don't target such a high torque load, especially at low rpm?

It seems all the tunes so far prioritize low-end torque (probably because it is immediately obvious to the end-user), but I'd prefer one that prioritizes high-end hp and doesn't put such a brutal load on the motor at low rpm (and might hopeful be safer re: LSPI, rod integrity).

Well there's something very important you brought up that most don't discuss and it's technically a different topic; LSPI. Oil plays a vital role in Low Speed Pre Ignition as well. Most people make a big mistake by also not upgrading their oil. Once you start modifying a car, many variables start coming into play and OEM isn't always the best option.

Aside from the initial jump (low rpm) most people in modified cars don't even drive in the low rpm range. Without diving deep into that discussion the General rule of thumb is simple: If you're upgrading engine parts, why wouldn't you upgrade your oil (especially when running Ethanol). OEM and aftermarket oils have additives that protect against LSPI but (unless new oils have come out) by protecting against LSPI they compromise elsewhere...typically it's the protection needed for cars being drive hard/more power.

It's also safe to say all the tuners who have been involved in 10th & 11th Gens know the weak points of stock & modified parts (especially me lol). Powermetric offers a "Full send" (all the torque) and dialed back versions but for now you have to inquire about the dialed back versions.

The way I look at it; if I'm going to pay for something I'd want the most optimal. No ones forcing me to drive FULL Throttle every stop sign. This is where self control also comes in. I can drive the car part throttle and not see more than 15psi daily...but if someone in Mexico wants to have fun, at least I know all the power (for my set up) will be there when I need it. By that time you probably wouldn't even be in that low of an RPM range.

At the end to each their own and it comes down to 1 thing: What do you want out of your car. OTS tunes are a great option for most and the ones that come in the @Hondata FlashPro are great. Cost effective and quick to get...but nothing beats custom tuning (especially track side).

 

[mbaapk]

Well there's something very important you brought up that most don't discuss and it's technically a different topic; LSPI. Oil plays a vital role in Low Speed Pre Ignition as well. Most people make a big mistake by also not upgrading their oil. Once you start modifying a car, many variables start coming into play and OEM isn't always the best option.

Aside from the initial jump (low rpm) most people in modified cars don't even drive in the low rpm range. Without diving deep into that discussion the General rule of thumb is simple: If you're upgrading engine parts, why wouldn't you upgrade your oil (especially when running Ethanol). OEM and aftermarket oils have additives that protect against LSPI but (unless new oils have come out) by protecting against LSPI they compromise elsewhere...typically it's the protection needed for cars being drive hard/more power.

It's also safe to say all the tuners who have been involved in 10th & 11th Gens know the weak points of stock & modified parts (especially me lol). Powermetric offers a "Full send" (all the torque) and dialed back versions but for now you have to inquire about the dialed back versions.

The way I look at it; if I'm going to pay for something I'd want the most optimal. No ones forcing me to drive FULL Throttle every stop sign. This is where self control also comes in. I can drive the car part throttle and not see more than 15psi daily...but if someone in Mexico wants to have fun, at least I know all the power (for my set up) will be there when I need it. By that time you probably wouldn't even be in that low of an RPM range.

At the end to each their own and it comes down to 1 thing: What do you want out of your car. OTS tunes are a great option for most and the ones that come in the @Hondata FlashPro are great. Cost effective and quick to get...but nothing beats custom tuning (especially track side).

I drive mostly lo rpms lol. I love tooling round and just having more low end power. If I romp on it its usually 3-4-5th gears around 3k rpm and up though. I see 1 and 2 as the get up to speed gears.

 

[OsosikMedia]

I drive mostly lo rpms lol. I love tooling round and just having more low end power. If I romp on it its usually 3-4-5th gears around 3k rpm and up though. I see 1 and 2 as the get up to speed gears.

Well then, depending on your tires you'd love that low end torque...maybe not the rods but time will tell lol. These aren't L15 engines so that's a plus lol

 

[mbaapk]

Well then, depending on your tires you'd love that low end torque...maybe not the rods but time will tell lol. These aren't L15 engines so that's a plus lol

Not worried about anything under 375 tq. as long as I don’t act like a tool. I think the rods are forged btw.

 

[Jester04]

I drive mostly lo rpms lol. I love tooling round and just having more low end power. If I romp on it its usually 3-4-5th gears around 3k rpm and up though. I see 1 and 2 as the get up to speed gears.

I would be careful my friend! Even forged rods can take a dump if pre ignition happens.

 

[mbaapk]

I would be careful my friend! Even forged rods can take a dump if pre ignition happens.

There are so many FK8s w 500 hp with no issues. Ill be fine. Under 375 is a pretty safe tune if done right.

 

[Jester04]

There are so many FK8s w 500 hp with no issues. Ill be fine. Under 375 is a pretty safe tune if done right.

500hp cars don’t make that much torque down low. Its a byproduct of a bigger turbo, its not about the numbers but more of when the power happens. If its lower than 4k it builds up a lot of cylinder pressure.

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