FL5 vs Elantra N DCT

[Clark_Kent]

Is the N uglier than the new M2?

M2 for sure, all 3,800+ lbs of it.

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[Robo7]

What happened to BMW? They went from consistently making some of the most gorgeous cars, to having the entire lineup of fugly monstrosities. The 8 series is their last attractive design. I grew up dreaming of owning a BMW. Now that I can afford one I would never consider a new one. So sad. I actually really like Kia’s design. Hyundai’s don’t do it for me. They should let their Kia team design the next Elantra. I’m sure they would do a better job.

 

[Jester04]

M2 for sure, all 3,800+ lbs of it.

This is what put me off the new M2. And even when I sold my old one I still find the R superior even if it is less fancy. Just the buckets alone are a big improvement.

 

[Jester04]

What happened to BMW? They went from consistently making some of the most gorgeous cars, to having the entire lineup of fugly monstrosities. The 8 series is their last attractive design. I grew up dreaming of owning a BMW. Now that I can afford one I would never consider a new one. So sad. I actually really like Kia’s design. Hyundai’s don’t do it for me. They should let their Kia team design the next Elantra. I’m sure they would do a better job.

The guys that is designing the cars is on a good trip.

 

[RickyJeezus]

Willing to purchase and able to purchase are two total different things. I'm willing to buy a island off the south of France. However I will hold off till the mark up come down. This will be my last response to you lol

I feel you have difficulty understanding things, or maybe you aren’t really reading my responses.

We can speak about fairytale scenarios since that’s what you seem to specialize in, but I’d rather save that for a different forum.

The only point I was trying to make was that a $10k difference from a $45k car is a real difference. Enough so that it would justify a buyer choosing the Elantra N over the FL5. If you don’t see it that way and $10k is something you just piss into the wind then im happy for you, but that isn’t the reality of someone who is buying a $45k car. There are plenty of wealthy individuals here who have bought FL5s and I guarantee you none of them would justify paying a $10k mark up (back in 2023 or now) even though in your imaginary world it shouldn’t deter them.

 

[fordsucks]

Is the N uglier than the new M2?

I was really interested in the m2 and thought surely pictures just made it kind of awkward looking

Then I saw one in person and be damned pictures made it look incredible in comparison

It was offensive to look at, it already looks outdated in 5 years people will think it was some high school kids welding project

 

[citrus]

I feel you have difficulty understanding things, or maybe you aren’t really reading my responses.

We can speak about fairytale scenarios since that’s what you seem to specialize in, but I’d rather save that for a different forum.

The only point I was trying to make was that a $10k difference from a $45k car is a real difference. Enough so that it would justify a buyer choosing the Elantra N over the FL5. If you don’t see it that way and $10k is something you just piss into the wind then im happy for you, but that isn’t the reality of someone who is buying a $45k car. There are plenty of wealthy individuals here who have bought FL5s and I guarantee you none of them would justify paying a $10k mark up (back in 2023 or now) even though in your imaginary world it shouldn’t deter them.

The $10k difference between an EN and FL5 buys you something. The $10k difference between MSRP and ADM doesn't. Not that hard to understand. "Pissing away" money on something that you can derive value from is one thing. Just setting it on fire is another.

 

[MooMoo]

What happened to BMW? They went from consistently making some of the most gorgeous cars, to having the entire lineup of fugly monstrosities. The 8 series is their last attractive design. I grew up dreaming of owning a BMW. Now that I can afford one I would never consider a new one. So sad. I actually really like Kia’s design. Hyundai’s don’t do it for me. They should let their Kia team design the next Elantra. I’m sure they would do a better job.

The new Z4 is actually very good looking and apparently a fantastic car

 

[BigBird]

The new Z4 is actually very good looking and apparently a fantastic car

The M3 Competition is amazing, and I actually like the looks. The worst part of the car though is the steering feel. It feels like a old Chevy, very numb steering.

 

[MooMoo]

The M3 Competition is amazing, and I actually like the looks. The worst part of the car though is the steering feel. It feels like a old Chevy, very numb steering.

Yeah I have driven it, its a great car. I don’t mind the looks but I would not want one. I actually think looks way better than the new m2

 

[RickyJeezus]

The $10k difference between an EN and FL5 buys you something. The $10k difference between MSRP and ADM doesn't. Not that hard to understand. "Pissing away" money on something that you can derive value from is one thing. Just setting it on fire is another.

You're missing the point.

$10k adm DID buy you something, it bought you the car without waiting a year or more for the prices to come down. Of course not every dealer wanted to get that, most we're happy letting them go with a $5k adm or maybe less. (I'm referencing 2023 prices)

You and I could both agree that there we're a lot of buyers -you might be included in this- that didn't wan't to pay $10k over even though "that's the market"

The original comment I had responded to was mentioning that "a $10k difference shouldn't sway anyone with the means to buy a $40k car" based on that logic a $10k adm shouldn't have swayed anyone either.

 

[citrus]

You're missing the point.

$10k adm DID buy you something, it bought you the car without waiting a year or more for the prices to come down... The original comment I had responded to was mentioning that "a $10k difference shouldn't sway anyone with the means to buy a $40k car" based on that logic a $10k adm shouldn't have swayed anyone either.

You missed my point. Some people can derive value setting their money on fire. Most people in most situations won't, if we can be reasonable and honest.

ADM is paying for a privilege. Whatever value anyone can derive from that is not intrinsic to the product. The FL5 bought at MSRP is materially the same as an FL5 bought with ADM. The FL5 bought at MSRP and the EN bought at MSRP are materially different things. That's the difference I was talking about. You're trying to conflate the two.

I think the original comment was trying to say that a person who could afford a sporty $40k car can probably afford to stretch to $50k. While that may or may not be true, that doesn't mean every buyer who can also afford $50k is willing to spend that extra money on "nothing," which is what you're trying to say. The people not swayed by ADM to buy their FL5s are evidently the minority. Otherwise, OTD prices would've never come down over time.

I didn't miss your point. It just wasn't a very good one.

 

[Robo7]

Those that paid ADM got to enjoy their cars first. Those that got theirs for MSRP had to be patient. The difference between what was paid is just how much folks value their time. Simple as that. I was patient and waited, but I spent countless hours calling over 70 dealerships. No shame if saving that time is worth the $5k-$15k in ADM for some people. Getting back to the original point of this thread… FL5s rule and ENs are still cool. ?

 

[RickyJeezus]

You missed my point. Some people can derive value setting their money on fire. Most people in most situations won't, if we can be reasonable and honest.

ADM is paying for a privilege. Whatever value anyone can derive from that is not intrinsic to the product. The FL5 bought at MSRP is materially the same as an FL5 bought with ADM. The FL5 bought at MSRP and the EN bought at MSRP are materially different things. That's the difference I was talking about. You're trying to conflate the two.

I think the original comment was trying to say that a person who could afford a sporty $40k car can probably afford to stretch to $50k. While that may or may not be true, that doesn't mean every buyer who can also afford $50k is willing to spend that extra money on "nothing," which is what you're trying to say. The people not swayed by ADM to buy their FL5s are evidently the minority. Otherwise, OTD prices would've never come down over time.

I didn't miss your point. It just wasn't a very good one.

You are misunderstood, we are both making two different points.

Original comment was not "a $40k buyer can stretch to a $50k budget" because this thread is comparing the Elantra N to the FL5, so the point he was trying to make was that "a $35k buyer should be able to stretch to a $45k budget" which is the point that I didn't agree with.

I think OP is correct, correct in the way that an FL5 buyer specifically would not let the $10k difference deter him/her from getting the car that they want. My point is not to the FL5 buyer because we are all Honda fans and it would take a lot to get us to downgrade to an Elantra N. The buyer I am referring to is the enthusiast buyer, someone who would actually be looking at an Elantra N...to them a 25% INCREASE on price to go from an N to an FL5 is not justified, especially when they see performance is near identical. What ended up happening is TougeFL5 took it personally and couldn't understand basic math.

I am not here trying to tell people to not buy the FL5...this is a Goddamn FL5 forum, everybody here will suck the FL5s dick if it had one (me included) I was just trying to bring sense to the bigger picture, but I guess there is no logic here when you are ruled by emotion.

 

[evlsmurf]

This thread has become ridiculous. Coming from someone, who at one point, wasn't making a ton of money, $10k difference or $150-200/month mattered. I have always been into cars and started with WRXs. At the time I could really only afford a base WRX. Did I wish I could spend another $10k+ and get the STI? Of course. But, I had to be reasonable given my budget and that extra amount monthly made a difference.

The EN is a really great option for someone who wants a "performance" car for a decent price. For some the payment difference to the FL5 is just too much of a stretch. Everyone has their unique financial situations with varying priorities/responsibilities.

Can we just move on from this circle of nonsense?

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