TSP Stage 1 Tune for the 2017+ Civic Si (Cobra Race Support Included!)

[Micah]

Flashed with Hondata yesterday. Feel great down low and in midrange. But the most boost I have seen is 22psi so far. I'll drive on it for a few more days but will probably switch back to the +9

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[D-RobIMW]

Flashed with Hondata yesterday. Feel great down low and in midrange. But the most boost I have seen is 22psi so far. I'll drive on it for a few more days but will probably switch back to the +9

Send me an email with a log!

The Hondata tune is a port, so it may require a little adjustment. I'm happy to do so.

 

[Micah]

I only have one datalog, and it's from my 40 minute commute home last night. I can break it up into smaller pieces to email it if you want. Otherwise I can try to get some better seat time for some shorter datalogs this afternoon during what should be my lunch break.

 

[CrippleRipple]

How do you use the launch control is it different than stock? Do you just put the gas to the floor and dump the clutch as fast as possible?

Yes sir! In KTuner you can set it right from the steering wheel for on the fly adjustment. I clutch in 1st and just put the pedal to the floor, just the let the clutch go and you are off! This map starts off at 3500RPM but you can adjust. I was using 2500RPM launch before but with this map 3500RPM is perfect!

Right from KTuner's really helpful section on our platform alone:
http://www.ktuner.com/KTunerHelp/civicx_accordx_platform.htm?ms=AkIAIAIC&st=MA==&sct=MA==&mw=MjQw

*On the fly adjustable launch limit allows you to adjust your launch limit RPM on the fly via cruise control switches.

Cruise Control must be fully off and not active on the dash.

Control this feature via the cruise control buttons.
To enter the adjustment press the clutch in fully.
Click the cancel button for a short press.
The tachometer should show your current RPM for launching.
Make adjustments on the fly in 100 RPM increments by clicking Resume or Set buttons to increase or decrease.
As this is on the fly, release the clutch pedal or click cancel again for a short press to go back to normal tachometer operation.

We allow the clutch pedal release to return the tachometer to normal for those who are trying to quickly adjust while on the line at a track

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Hope that helps and really adds an extremely "top end" car feature to the vehicle, really love all KTuner is implementing lately!

 

[Si_Brian]

I can accommodate that.

How do I go about getting that on mine as well?

 

[CrippleRipple]

How do I go about getting that on mine as well?

+1 - Been wanting to get the same setup!

 

[charleswrivers]

Well, I put in my order, asking for the hot map to be in the tune 1 slot. Old lady went to get groceries.... I told her to drive it hard so whenever I get the file and flash it she can tell me what she thinks.

 

[Hijinx]

Having run the TSP tune for a week now (in Slot 3, 93 oct), I can honestly say I’m still impressed with the driveability and power delivery.

For all of those worried about the K.control: let it do it’s thing. You WANT knock control to kick in and reign things in, especially when you’re driving aggressively. If you’re seeing high knock control at cruise/light loads then there might be a problem. Not that my word matters, but I believe there was a lot of thought put into this OTS calibration, and it’s well worth its cost (which, BTW, is comparable to other calibrators across multiple platforms).

 

[d1zguy]

My kcontrol stays at .49; even at WOT 3rd and 4th gear high speed pulls. 93 octane sonoco gas from new gas station.

 

[Sly_Si]

Hi,

Very quick first impression based on one drive in to work. No WOT or 3rd gear pulls or anything. I would describe as very smooth. Power comes on easily. I am using Flashpro so I can't compare this to Vit Stage 1, but it just feels like everything is working together. I had been running a pretty neutered version of the +6, but I'd run the +6, never the +9. The +6 has some "harshness," I would say, based on the fact that the power is being made by boost alone. It just feels like it is letting the turbo run free. There feels like there is more "control" to the TSP Stage 1. I would also be surprised if it didn't have BBG set up. It felt like the turbo wasn't fully letting loose until 3rd gear, which was nice because it wasn't breaking traction in 2nd. But, again, I wasn't launching or going WOT so some of that could also be based on gearing and load, but it did seem like it was there.

So, quick impression, I like it and it feels like a much more comprehensive tune then the basemaps from Hondata (because it is).

Hi, i just got my file as of now. Were you able to switch between map? They said they have 3 different map, but i don't see the option.

 

[charleswrivers]

Just got my file!

 

[tehSteve]

@Sly_Si In the tutorial, search up "On the Fly Map Switching".
It literally takes 5 seconds to change maps really quickly once your car is flashed.

 

[D-RobIMW]

Hi,


Hi, i just got my file as of now. Were you able to switch between map? They said they have 3 different map, but i don't see the option.

If you're using FlashPro, there is no map switching feature.

 

[CrippleRipple]

If you're using FlashPro, there is no map switching feature.

Any chance once you get done with your current orders I could have my maps setup like Charles and I were discussing?
I usually run my "hottest" map as #1 as well.

Thank you

 

[charleswrivers]

Alright... I took the car for a spin... here's my take on it:

Post flash, K.control was at .59, which is generally what I've seen in the past... as I drive, it slowly settles back to .49 (minimum). I have been able to make it rise, though the peak I'd ever previously seen was it rising from .49 to .59 after repeated 1st through 3rd pulls.

I had been previously running the 23# basemap, +1 ignition advance, boot limited to 21# until 4000 RPM previously, with the rest of the boost table (including the taper) as is. I had boost by gear for 1st set to 18#. I have the OEM summer tires and usually have no traction problems after 1st, with a chirp going into 2nd.

1st feels about the same, though a little more willing to wind it out. Substantially more torque in the midrange after first. Running the car about 1/2 way through 1st then a shift to second (RPMs falling to around 3k) shows a very noticeable amount of extra torque. Again, I had weakened the midrange so comparing the 21# basemap midrange to this one would be more appropriate than the dyno TSP put together to see where I was coming from.

I hammered it and ran it from 1st to the top of 3rd going on-ramps for the interstate. 2nd and 3rd pull generally stronger throughout. Realistically, the gains from stock to 23# basemap and 23# basemap to TSP Stage 1 are about the same... and it's diminishing returns for each equivalent bump in power so far as feel goes... but it's definitely there.

I don't drive fast, but I did give it a couple WOT bumps in 4th at ~70 mph (RPM around 4000) and the car, to me, pulled noticeable harder. After boost built (quickly) the car would be past 80 after just a moment and eager to keep going...

Boost after 1st would consistently flicker between 24-25# on the cluster. I did not notice any taper where boost fell as you approached redline... which I went to several times.

No matter what I did... K.control continued to slowly fall as I did my ~10 mile loop... lowering to .52 as I got off the interstate... then flickering between .49-.51 as I pulled into my driveway, about a mile off the interstate. I run 93 octane... and yeah, I'm not doing 100+ mph pulls, but with ambients near 90F, I was genuinely surprised. K.control reacted the same as the 23# basemap. As I'm sure this is near the limits of the little turbo on pump gas... with an intercooler that can barely keep up... I imagine it'll be a lot edgier in the winter.

The map is a big winner in my book. As long as you have realistic expectations about the power bump (the 182 to 208 going to the 23# basemap [where I've been for ~6 months]…. and all the changes the enables/adjustments made, to me, is more drastic than the 208 to 237 bump... and I was expecting that) you won't be disappointed. It definitely improves on the top end. I mean... a *lot*. If you were coming from the stock tune to this, it would be an enormous difference. I wouldn't even use the "Night and Day" phrase (which I hate, BTW) going from stock tune to 23# basemap. but stock tune to this? Yeah.

Based on the sheer economics of the thing... $79.99 for a 29 whp bump over the basemap? Under $3 per horsepower? Buy it!

Great job @D-RobIMW (and thanks for providing one with the hot map as map 1)... and thanks to @Two Step Performance for providing us a Stage Map we could buy a la carte. I *tried* to buy a different Stage map a la carte before from another vendor and was told no. I'm glad I was made to wait for this one.

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