Has the 2nd gear grind happened to your FL5 yet?

[johnloov]

Easy, tiger.

Are you saying the gear grind issue is not real?

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[menikmati]

Are you saying the gear grind issue is not real?

No, I never implied that.

 

[Integra23]

I readjusted the pedal per the video I shared and it made a noticable change. There's still some extra resistance getting into second but it seems to be more notchy and not a lockout feeling. Some of this is the hybrid racing shifter. Next is the fluid change.
I might put the factory shifter back in.

 

[Websitesdown]

I readjusted the pedal per the video I shared and it made a noticable change. There's still some extra resistance getting into second but it seems to be more notchy and not a lockout feeling. Some of this is the hybrid racing shifter. Next is the fluid change.
I might put the factory shifter back in.

In the video he stated to only adjust it if you had play in yours. Mine had none. Yours had play in it?

 

[Integra23]

In the video he stated to only adjust it if you had play in yours. Mine had none. Yours had play in it?

Yes it has some stationary and when you lightly pressed the clutch there w

 

[CTR]

Hi everyone, Throttle House Journalist also reported this same exact gear Grind Issue in the new FL5 Type R. Check it - He's a professional driver and he grinded it 3 times on track in the same session!

FL5 gear grind issues Throttle House

It seems this should be a recall by Honda if we all scream loud enough.

This is unacceptable for a brand new overpriced Honda Civic car, especially since Type R's have had this same problem since the FK8!

We all love the car, but how can a car selling way above MSRP with a majority of dealerships that treat you like garbage, have such a fatal flaw?!? This is their Halo car for god's sake.

Who knows the Honda CEO's email address?

We have to escalate this!

Can't tell if you're a troll or not...

Many (most?) of us on here have had no reported 2nd gear grinds. It seems like it's uncommon enough that we only have one thread.

This is not recall territory whatsoever. If you can replicate it, take it to the dealer and have it repaired under the warranty your brand new car came with.

I'd be willing to bet that the Throttle House car was an early press car that was likely abused in its short life. Not really fair to paint it as some huge issue without data to back it up.

 

[johnloov]

Just stating the facts. It's great to hear most people are not having this issue. There are many people on this thread that are having the issues with less than 1000 miles on the car. I do agree that the press car was probably abused more, but still there is no way that car has more than 5,000 miles on it either. I do believe it's inherently a design issue, that's been improved since the FK8. My first honda was an EU Civic EG and that had 2nd gear grinding issues, and it only had 89hp. The Type R being such an amazing car, with an amazing engine that's capable of incredible power, deserves, in my opinion, and equally robust and amazing transmission.

If you simply search YouTube for "Gear Grind" the FK8 Type R comes up first and most of the videos are Honda Type R's and Civic's

Watch this, and look at the effort he went through to prove the synchro issues.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gear+grind

Trust me I love Honda, they just need to give us a bullet proof transmission to compliment the bullet proof engine.

 

[menikmati]

That SavageGeese video has been posted about a week ago, please read through the thread.

 

[CTR]

While I'm not going to pretend to know the background of the engineering on the FK8/FL5 transmission I imagine it's like the 5th iteration of a 6 speed K series FWD transmission. They have made improvements with every iteration and this is likely the last generation it will be offered. They're not going to spend millions ground-up redesigning this transmission at this point just to make it bulletproof in every condition. There are packaging limitations and the engineers probably made the decision to sacrifice the extreme use cases (max RPM first gear shifts) for reliability in 3/4 gear.

How many of you are shifting at redline in first gear? It's typically at the traction limits and accompanied with wheel hop. Can you really argue that your foot isn't lifting off the clutch at little early when the car is bucking and hopping? Once you've grinded a gear hard 3-4 times doesn't it make sense that it's more likely to happen in the future?

I don't drag race my car and tend to short shift 1-2 and then roll into 2nd and 3rd gear as needed. I've just rarely understood the need to launch the car and take first gear to redline.

 

[Integra23]

While I'm not going to pretend to know the background of the engineering on the FK8/FL5 transmission I imagine it's like the 5th iteration of a 6 speed K series FWD transmission. They have made improvements with every iteration and this is likely the last generation it will be offered. They're not going to spend millions ground-up redesigning this transmission at this point just to make it bulletproof in every condition. There are packaging limitations and the engineers probably made the decision to sacrifice the extreme use cases (max RPM first gear shifts) for reliability in 3/4 gear.

How many of you are shifting at redline in first gear? It's typically at the traction limits and accompanied with wheel hop. Can you really argue that your foot isn't lifting off the clutch at little early when the car is bucking and hopping? Once you've grinded a gear hard 3-4 times doesn't it make sense that it's more likely to happen in the future?

I don't drag race my car and tend to short shift 1-2 and then roll into 2nd and 3rd gear as needed. I've just rarely understood the need to launch the car and take first gear to redline.

I rarely redline any gear and most of the grinding occured at the 5k range when shifting.

 

[Websitesdown]

I rarely redline any gear and most of the grinding occured at the 5k range when shifting.

Me neither, I had 28 miles and was babying it when it first happened to me. The fact is, there's people who dedicate their lives to making videos about cars commenting about it. Not our fault. I come from a pretty beefed up si. I had no problems with it in this department.

 

[Integra23]

Me neither, I had 28 miles and was babying it when it first happened to me. The fact is, there's people who dedicate their lives to making videos about cars commenting about it. Not our fault. I come from a pretty beefed up si. I had no problems with it in this department.

I had a 23' teggy and no issue on that manual as well. I didnt even think about it till now. The clutch on that was really vague on the engagement area which was my main gripe. But i drove it for 20k miles and not a single grind.

 

[ABPDE5]

I would not be shocked if the issue is that the clutch adjustment is set poorly from the factory. This causes grinds, which damage the synchros, and then you have a permanent problem, even if you fix your pedal adjustment.

If my car was pretty much new and exhibiting this behavior, I'd try adjusting the pedal... if the issue has been ongoing, I wouldn't; I'd try to force it on Honda (because if the synchros are damaged and you have since fixed the pedal, they might try to argue it wasn't the pedal adjustment that caused the synchro damage).

 

[Bigfx]

How much clutch pedal play are you supposed to have? Mine moves a little until I get pressure do we want all that slack out?

 

[ne_typer]

I agree that this is an issue. I've had like 5 K-series manuals and have learned to drive around it, and haven't had this issue at all on my FL5 or ITS. It's all about slightly adjusting the CMC (not too much), and making sure clutch timing is right.

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