Big willow track days and temp issues

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i realize that, but his message kind of reads as if talking about coolant.

edit: i’m only aware of the PWR radiator product
He is referring to my engine temp. My qs was, what is the highest oil temp my car can take ? Thats why he said "for the sake of your engine and the radiator can take more than that."

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Also to add to me previous comment and since I am testing a radiator upgrade right now with a couple of other things.

The biggest factor for cooling in the radiator that I have seen so far in testing is ambient temps and airflow. Have noticed fairly consistently if I am behind a car in the highway the oil, water and IAT’s start to climb slowly thus reinforcing the importance of airflow.

The second thing I have noticed is how ambient temps wildly affect the cooling capacity of the radiator. Remember it is just a giant heatsink with surface area. Now try cooling the radiator with a blow dryer on high heat, it limits the ability to dissipate heat. So some people have reported no cooling issues. But from my testing again, the recovery time and management of temps varies greatly depending on how hot the ambient air is.

For example if you are running the car in the 60’s-70’s ambient temp there is a greater delta from the surrounding air compared to the radiator thus it cools more efficiently. As soon as temps get into the high 80’s and above the cooling system struggles a lot more to dissipate this heat.

On the other topic of max oil temps and max water temps. I personally like my water temp to be under 240, anything above that I shut it down. As far as oil you can dip into the 250’s and it will hold but film strength starts to become an issue after that mark.

These pics are at the beginning of a pull and then at the end of a pull from 40mph to 120mph. You can have a reference of how hot it is outside since those IAT’s are with the car moving.

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Also to add to me previous comment and since I am testing a radiator upgrade right now with a couple of other things.

The biggest factor for cooling in the radiator that I have seen so far in testing is ambient temps and airflow. Have noticed fairly consistently if I am behind a car in the highway the oil, water and IAT’s start to climb slowly thus reinforcing the importance of airflow.

The second thing I have noticed is how ambient temps wildly affect the cooling capacity of the radiator. Remember it is just a giant heatsink with surface area. Now try cooling the radiator with a blow dryer on high heat, it limits the ability to dissipate heat. So some people have reported no cooling issues. But from my testing again, the recovery time and management of temps varies greatly depending on how hot the ambient air is.

For example if you are running the car in the 60’s-70’s ambient temp there is a greater delta from the surrounding air compared to the radiator thus it cools more efficiently. As soon as temps get into the high 80’s and above the cooling system struggles a lot more to dissipate this heat.

On the other topic of max oil temps and max water temps. I personally like my water temp to be under 240, anything above that I shut it down. As far as oil you can dip into the 250’s and it will hold but film strength starts to become an issue after that mark.

These pics are at the beginning of a pull and then at the end of a pull from 40mph to 120mph. You can have a reference of how hot it is outside since those IAT’s are with the car moving.

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So how do you increase airflow? Guessing vents and ducting to channel it in?

Or you could also just add more radiators to increase the capacity.
 
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So how do you increase airflow? Guessing vents and ducting to channel it in?
correct, if you vent the hood the car will have an easier time getting rid of the air in the engine bay thus increasing airflow. The front bumper from the factory I find the airflow pretty good. It is the heat extraction that is the main issue.

The engine is a very sealed compartment, so air struggles to find a way out.
 

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Looks great. Yah , i saw this post and im going to copy your way. I will probably just move the HEL oil cooler to the left and see from there. Worst comes to worst, ill get another oil cooler for the right side.

Also, there is an fk8 2nd radiator and i message twostepperformance and they said it doesnt fit in FL5.

I might have a track days on mid july so i will test it there but ill run it in the canyons before that and see the temp.
Why not try a drag race mini radiator in place of a standard second radiator?
 


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Also to add to me previous comment and since I am testing a radiator upgrade right now with a couple of other things.

The biggest factor for cooling in the radiator that I have seen so far in testing is ambient temps and airflow. Have noticed fairly consistently if I am behind a car in the highway the oil, water and IAT’s start to climb slowly thus reinforcing the importance of airflow.

The second thing I have noticed is how ambient temps wildly affect the cooling capacity of the radiator. Remember it is just a giant heatsink with surface area. Now try cooling the radiator with a blow dryer on high heat, it limits the ability to dissipate heat. So some people have reported no cooling issues. But from my testing again, the recovery time and management of temps varies greatly depending on how hot the ambient air is.

For example if you are running the car in the 60’s-70’s ambient temp there is a greater delta from the surrounding air compared to the radiator thus it cools more efficiently. As soon as temps get into the high 80’s and above the cooling system struggles a lot more to dissipate this heat.

On the other topic of max oil temps and max water temps. I personally like my water temp to be under 240, anything above that I shut it down. As far as oil you can dip into the 250’s and it will hold but film strength starts to become an issue after that mark.

These pics are at the beginning of a pull and then at the end of a pull from 40mph to 120mph. You can have a reference of how hot it is outside since those IAT’s are with the car moving.

IMG_4245.jpeg


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Ya , the intercooler, oil cooler, 27won snorkel are blocking my pwr radiator. I have to customize something so that air flow could pass the radiator.
I did see an 10f delta when i was driving in the freeway and a car was in front of me.
It doesnt help that the highest temp that day was 102F.
 

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Ya , the intercooler, oil cooler, 27won snorkel are blocking my pwr radiator. I have to customize something so that air flow could pass the radiator.
I did see an 10f delta when i was driving in the freeway and a car was in front of me.
It doesnt help that the highest temp that day was 102F.
Pretty much confirms what I have seen, so with upgrading those parts, airflow is the other piece of the puzzle.
 


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YES!!! That looks so good. I feel as though it will perform even better than it it looks with all those vents. With the BBS wheels?. Brilliant.
 

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Honda answers my qs of what is the highest temp that Type R can handle.

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Interesting response. The engine oil temp value was clearly copied and pasted from an erroneous source. The car will be in limp mode, oil will have broken down, and the heads warped well before 1,292 °F.
 
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Interesting response. The engine oil temp value was clearly copied and pasted from an erroneous source. The car will be in limp mode, oil will have broken down, and the heads warped well before 1,292 °F.
Ya someone is BSing me.
So far, per gridzilla and pointbypatrol. Their cars went to 302F.
I observed from pointby that his car went to 302F for a while then became --- zero value until it went limp mode.
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