Advice on driving the Type R

[Gansan]

this is good advice. i never knew a manual would take off in first with just slowly releasing the clutch with no gas. if i ever teach someone that’s exactly how i will probably teach them to start. that’s the hardest part is just getting moving lol

This hasn't been the case historically. It's really the ECU and anti-stall software that's giving the car a bit of throttle to keep the engine running. With any older cars, you have to be very careful when letting out the clutch.

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[Fl5#727]

This hasn't been the case historically. It's really the ECU and anti-stall software that's giving the car a bit of throttle to keep the engine running. With any older cars, you have to be very careful when letting out the clutch.

interesting. good info. i assumed it had to do with torque. like more torquey motor the easier it would be

 

[Cueyo]

interesting. good info. i assumed it had to do with torque. like more torquey motor the easier it would be

That's the same thing I had seen online, that more torquey motors were easier to move from a stop to 1st. The anti-stalling makes more sense though

 

[Fl5#727]

Tried that today and it worked like a charm. Shifting without the rev match system makes the quirks of each gear so much more apparent. I'm still debating if I'll turn it back on in the long run, but it definetly would make the car faster - not to mention it will be perfect with downshifts, unlike me who just guesses .

My current goal is to become nearly as good as the rev matching system with holding rpms and guessing desired gear rpms (while being as fast as I can without lurching). If I can do that, then I doubt I'll ever turn the system back on.

oh goodness! i haven’t been able to get along with turning the rev match system off. i guess i shift too slow. the revs falls so fast compared to with the rev match system i guess i just can’t figure it out, so i just leave it on. it literally jerks in every gear when i shift without revmatch. the revs go too low and when i let the clutch out it jerks because the car wants the revs higher. it feels so bad on the car. i’m sure it’s just user error but i mean i’ve tried to shift as quick as i can and it still does it.

you could always get good with the rev match system on and then work on the heal toe and that kind of thing and turn rev match off down the road.

i like the easy route these days lol.

 

[cryptolime]

Downshift into either 2nd or 1st at that speed. I tend to stay in gear as much as possible in case power needs to be applied.

don't downshift to 1st. that should only be used to get rolling until you have a lot of experience. I never downshift to 1st unless I come to a complete stop.

 

[cryptolime]

It's definitely nice, but in my case I feel like I should learn how to rev march myself before relying on it. Definitely overwhelming for me now, couldn't imagine it with size 14 feet ?

you can still rev match yourself with it turned on. it just makes up for the difference in RPM if you don't get it right.

 

[Fl5#727]

you can still rev match yourself with it turned on. it just makes up for the difference in RPM if you don't get it right.

but how? lol my brain doesn’t understand that. if the car instantly revs itself, how can you also rev it as well? other than maybe over revving where it wants to be? sorry man kinda newb question lol. only time i blip the throttle is when i absolutely have to shift down into first from second between 5 and 10mph in very few certain situations.

 

[Cueyo]

but how? lol my brain doesn’t understand that. if the car instantly revs itself, how can you also rev it as well? other than maybe over revving where it wants to be? sorry man kinda newb question lol. only time i blip the throttle is when i absolutely have to shift down into first from second between 5 and 10mph in very few certain situations.

The rev match autorevs (and does so perfectly), but I take it there's still room for improvement based on the intentions of you shifting down (ie: to speed back up or to engine brake), at least that's my understanding. Only driven stick for a week now ?

 

[menikmati]

I personally think you should master the fundamentals before trying to add too much to your plate. The auto-rev match is a tool and I wouldn't view it as training wheels at all. It allows you to focus your mental bandwidth on a smaller number of variables.

 

[menikmati]

don't downshift to 1st. that should only be used to get rolling until you have a lot of experience. I never downshift to 1st unless I come to a complete stop.

I gave the option of 2nd or 1st. It's not a binary decision at what gear to be in at that speed because they are both within the acceptable speed limits and requires context. Comfortable with modulating the clutch and gas a little longer and fine with being at the low-end of the rev range? Then 2nd is suitable for the majority of situations. If I want more power after slowing down or if it's facing uphill, then I would lean towards 1st to prevent lugging.

 

[Cueyo]

I gave the option of 2nd or 1st. It's not a binary decision at what gear to be in at that speed because they are both within the acceptable speed limits and requires context. Comfortable with modulating the clutch and gas a little longer and fine with being at the low-end of the rev range? Then 2nd is suitable for the majority of situations. If I want more power after slowing down or if it's facing uphill, then I would lean towards 1st to prevent lugging.

When people saying lugging, what exactly is the mechanical process happening? Is it just that the rpms are too low for the gear? Does it actually do anything bad? I try to avoid it by dropping down a gear but if it doesn't do anything besides make the car drive funny, then I'd be less worried

 

[cryptolime]

but how? lol my brain doesn’t understand that. if the car instantly revs itself, how can you also rev it as well? other than maybe over revving where it wants to be? sorry man kinda newb question lol. only time i blip the throttle is when i absolutely have to shift down into first from second between 5 and 10mph in very few certain situations.

clutch in, rev it up, then slide it into the next gear. auto rev match doesn't kick in until you engage the next gear.

 

[Gansan]

but how? lol my brain doesn’t understand that. if the car instantly revs itself, how can you also rev it as well? other than maybe over revving where it wants to be? sorry man kinda newb question lol. only time i blip the throttle is when i absolutely have to shift down into first from second between 5 and 10mph in very few certain situations.

The way auto rev match works is it revs when the clutch is being released, so right at the end of the shift process.

Normally when a human does it, you're blipping the gas starting from when you pushed the clutch in. You rev it, shift, and you let the clutch out as it's falling, but you time it so that it's right on the money. If you combine the two, the auto rev match catches the revs at the end of your manual blipping sequence and fixes any error for you at the last second.

 

[Rhorn]

I personally think you should master the fundamentals before trying to add too much to your plate. The auto-rev match is a tool and I wouldn't view it as training wheels at all. It allows you to focus your mental bandwidth on a smaller number of variables.

Completely agree. Rev match downshifting isnt a critical skill at all, and its more of just having fun. I learned to drive manual on my first car which was a Scion tC for like 5 years. The biggest struggle for me was hills, but cars now have anti rollback which makes it super easy. The auto rev feature isn't a handicap like TC or VSA.

I honestly didn't start doing stuff like rev match downshift and heel toe downshift utill I got my GT350 a few years ago lol.

Even now Im going to have to relearn how to do it because my BRZ doesn't have an auto rev match feature the pedals aren't spaced like the Mustang and I can't easily grab the gas pedal lol. Not looking forward to it, but I'm not going to try to learn heel toe downshifting and left foot braking at the same time

 

[Cueyo]

Completely agree. Rev match downshifting isnt a critical skill at all, and its more of just having fun. I learned to drive manual on my first car which was a Scion tC for like 5 years. The biggest struggle for me was hills, but cars now have anti rollback which makes it super easy. The auto rev feature isn't a handicap like TC or VSA.

Been doing it since Sunday (so three days) and it's not that bad in all honesty, just so long as I'm not trying to go fast or heel toeing (which I'm not). Just kinda wait for the rpms to settle to right point then let the clutch out.

The rpm hold that auto rev match did has affected me waaaaaay more. That extra second that the rpm stayed at the right spot made upshifting so much easier. If anything I'd consider *that* the training wheels, not the downshifting.

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