PointByPatrol
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Do you still have your stock wheels? If so you could keep PS4's on those, and put some 200's on the regamasters. For wet considerations, I'd recommend Conti ECF's.
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I sold my oem wheels. Not sure if you remember I'm thinking about just getting bigger regamasters for the track when I decide to actually do a track day. However I'll probably just use this setup to see if I even like doing a track day.
svvitch
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200TW until frost. Then my all-weather tires come out until the salt is gone. If it's sub 40 degrees I won't run 200tw. Just dial it back for the cold months.
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This I know. I'm in a similar situation as you were in. I've got a house just outside of Boston and I'm going to relocate to TN,NC or KY however my car is in NC and I really can't stock up parts till I decided what I'm going to do with my house. So changing wheels isn't a option right now. So I have to navigate the situation.
MooMoo
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Man, too bad you don't have the car in MA.
There is this track called Palmer I think you would really freaking love, its kinda carved on the side of a mountain and its excellent. I have to say Northeast tracks are actually some of the closest to what I would imagine Tougue is. You have palmer, club motorsports and NYST (highest track on the east coast I believe) and they all really feel like driving on the mountain.
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I'm very happy testing my car how I see fit. I'd love to see your car on the mountains back of the dragon ain't that far from VIR.
TW00Si
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I’ve been to the dragon twice with my S2000 many many years ago. I prefer taking risks at the track these days. VIR is a great track. So much so that I’m going there again. Twice in one season and I’m 8.5hrs away.
Djseto
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Let's just skip to brass tax: you're going to buy what you're going to buy. It's your money, your choice. Let's however, not pretend you actually care what anyone here has to say.
In your first post, you said "So my first world delima is should I drop the coin on probably the best bbk by consensus go middle of the road or stick with oem +upgrade system."
Multiple people have given you their thoughts, which have basically all bubbled down to you should look at pads and tires first, not a BBK (aka OEM + upgrade). @ctechauto could have easily told you to buy a BBK and focused on their business instead of giving honest advice that is good for you (and the community), not their bottom line.
Now, if you want a comparison of people who've run AP and Paragon, that's going to be hard to find, but I respect that ask. People who buy AP are never looking back. People who buy Paragon likely wanted to save some money, so finding someone who went Paragon, then decided to go AP is hard.
Unless you're running slicks, you're not going to push the limits of an OEM system with the right fluid, pads, and tires. That's not what you want to hear, but the intent of forums (I'd like to think) is for people to help each other out, not stroke anyone's ego and tell them what they want to hear. If you want affirmation that you made the right choice, buy them, post a photo on Social Media, and let people give you Likes/Upvotes until your head can't fit in your door.
If you aren't getting a consistent feel, it could easily be that you've overheated your pad or boiled your fluid. Overheating your pad could be because you're on the brakes so much, they don't have time to cool down. A BBK isn't going to help your pad if you're outside of its optimal temperature. Your pads might be doing too much work because you've maxed out your tire. Have you gotten the dash indicator for the brake system yet? If you haven't, you haven't pushed your OEM system.
As for winter tires, I won't run 200TW outside of the track, and (as already stated), the PS4 is a summer tire, and you really shouldn't be using it near freezing temps. If you're running around the Dragon or Skyway in the winter, you are just on the borderline. Being in NC, I still run them in the Winter, but I sure as heck ain't trying to get max grip either on a public road with hockey pucks for tires.
Also, if you're really doing Togue, maybe do that in a sanctioned event vs public roads. Driving like an asshat puts you and others at risk. I've seen cars and people pulled off the dragon and had to wait for 45 minutes for EMS with a motorcyclist lying in the middle of the skyway bleeding from his ear because he took a turn too fast. My friends had to slow down traffic flying through the skyway to avoid him (and us) from getting hit. That's my PSA for the day. Try not to kill anyone or yourself.
But, just like people's advice on OEM+, you likely don't care what we have to say, so let's just skip the shit. Buy your kit and enjoy it. When your build is done, come meet us at VIR, where you can explore the limits of your car. I'll be the guy in the OEM+ setup lapping you.
Also, if you have a house in Boston, then perhaps you are a fellow Masshole like me. However, try being a little nicer to people on the forum. You come off like a real prick to people who are genuinely trying to help you. Hopefully that's not your intent, but that's how you come off. I know multiple people personally who've responded to you in this thread, so I'm not making this up.
People are either going to tell you what you want to hear, ignore your threads altogether, or both. But you're going to stop getting honest opinions if you don't stop coming off so condescending.
In your first post, you said "So my first world delima is should I drop the coin on probably the best bbk by consensus go middle of the road or stick with oem +upgrade system."
Multiple people have given you their thoughts, which have basically all bubbled down to you should look at pads and tires first, not a BBK (aka OEM + upgrade). @ctechauto could have easily told you to buy a BBK and focused on their business instead of giving honest advice that is good for you (and the community), not their bottom line.
Now, if you want a comparison of people who've run AP and Paragon, that's going to be hard to find, but I respect that ask. People who buy AP are never looking back. People who buy Paragon likely wanted to save some money, so finding someone who went Paragon, then decided to go AP is hard.
Unless you're running slicks, you're not going to push the limits of an OEM system with the right fluid, pads, and tires. That's not what you want to hear, but the intent of forums (I'd like to think) is for people to help each other out, not stroke anyone's ego and tell them what they want to hear. If you want affirmation that you made the right choice, buy them, post a photo on Social Media, and let people give you Likes/Upvotes until your head can't fit in your door.
If you aren't getting a consistent feel, it could easily be that you've overheated your pad or boiled your fluid. Overheating your pad could be because you're on the brakes so much, they don't have time to cool down. A BBK isn't going to help your pad if you're outside of its optimal temperature. Your pads might be doing too much work because you've maxed out your tire. Have you gotten the dash indicator for the brake system yet? If you haven't, you haven't pushed your OEM system.
As for winter tires, I won't run 200TW outside of the track, and (as already stated), the PS4 is a summer tire, and you really shouldn't be using it near freezing temps. If you're running around the Dragon or Skyway in the winter, you are just on the borderline. Being in NC, I still run them in the Winter, but I sure as heck ain't trying to get max grip either on a public road with hockey pucks for tires.
Also, if you're really doing Togue, maybe do that in a sanctioned event vs public roads. Driving like an asshat puts you and others at risk. I've seen cars and people pulled off the dragon and had to wait for 45 minutes for EMS with a motorcyclist lying in the middle of the skyway bleeding from his ear because he took a turn too fast. My friends had to slow down traffic flying through the skyway to avoid him (and us) from getting hit. That's my PSA for the day. Try not to kill anyone or yourself.
But, just like people's advice on OEM+, you likely don't care what we have to say, so let's just skip the shit. Buy your kit and enjoy it. When your build is done, come meet us at VIR, where you can explore the limits of your car. I'll be the guy in the OEM+ setup lapping you.
Also, if you have a house in Boston, then perhaps you are a fellow Masshole like me. However, try being a little nicer to people on the forum. You come off like a real prick to people who are genuinely trying to help you. Hopefully that's not your intent, but that's how you come off. I know multiple people personally who've responded to you in this thread, so I'm not making this up.
People are either going to tell you what you want to hear, ignore your threads altogether, or both. But you're going to stop getting honest opinions if you don't stop coming off so condescending.
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I get it and everyone has a different risk tolerance. You were at VIR with gears and gasoline so you know that things can happen on or off track. Why you don't think the car can be tested on touge doesn't really make sense to me and that's cool. I realize that this thread has turned into what someone else's opinion on how to use a car rather than giving options on the actual OP.
MooMoo
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I think its because we have to share the roads with people that want to test the cars on that same road and they run out of skill.
I actually just saw a really bad accident on a great mountain road I know like the palm of my hand. not sure if it was a body laid out on the road or a deer, I turned around real quickly when I saw the line of cars and cops. I love that road, great turns but also very blind turns I could really put some good speed in there but I am always sketched out by people walking, bikers and at this time of the year deer.
I actually just saw a really bad accident on a great mountain road I know like the palm of my hand. not sure if it was a body laid out on the road or a deer, I turned around real quickly when I saw the line of cars and cops. I love that road, great turns but also very blind turns I could really put some good speed in there but I am always sketched out by people walking, bikers and at this time of the year deer.
Djseto
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We did. You just don't like them so you're arguing in favor of what you want to do which is buy a BBK. Stop calling out the rest of us. When you have an issue with everyone else, the problem usually isn't everyone else.
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Perceptions aren't really high on my list and judgements of strangers isn't really becoming of anyone. Ask PointByPatrol you would probably like me. I don't even have social media lol
Yes I was seeking information between specific upgrades from people who have experience with these nothing more.
Hopefully you don't take this as condescending however you must not have read my post about talking with gridzilla about using Paragon over AP benefits. Or why I choose not to run 200tw currently. To QUOTE your bras tax theory all I asked really is if one has a bbk one brand or other because doing the pricing of OEM+ doesn't really make sense to me.
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We are trying to help you. You are ignoring everything you dont want to hear, and have rose colored glasses on for people who you "respect" and have the parts you are seeking validation with. So you basically just double down on ignoring the actual experiences of people who have been tracking and racing. You havent even done one track day.
Gridzilla isnt running on PS4S and AP brakes, bro.
Gridzilla isnt running on PS4S and AP brakes, bro.
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