*The FL5 Track Junkie Thread*

[Rexpelagi]

Could you share your camera mounting location for this video? I'm looking to do the same.

Here you go! It's several RAM mount arms connected.

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[west357]

Haha. That’s a lot of ram mounts!!

 

[Rexpelagi]

Hi, it's me again! I've got the FL5 and my collection of RAM mounts at TT Nationals at PittRace, doing what I can! I'm running in Max 4 due to my fuel pump, injectors, and e40, and I'm actually in a pretty tight competition with a Frankenstein Motorworks V6 swapped 2nd Gen MR2 that's really well built / driven by Chase Rivera.

I ended up segment 1 0.3s behind the MR2, but I had a big slide in T1 which cost at least that, so we'll see what I can do tomorrow for segment 2 (fwiw, the class lap record going in was 1:58.xx - we both have crushed it several times, so the record is still up for grabs too!)!

 

[BigBird]

Been looking at the results all weekend so far...super tight!

Sport 3 Elantra N is killing it out there as well, considering they just have a tune and camber.

Go get 'em!

 

[Rexpelagi]

Been looking at the results all weekend so far...super tight!

Sport 3 Elantra N is killing it out there as well, considering they just have a tune and camber.

Go get 'em!

Trey ("David") in the Sport 3 FK8 had an issue with an off for Segment 1 (the surface was pretty craptastic all weekend, and differently craptastic in different places depending on the session). Trey actually went off/on in T1 in the session right before my video above, which also had big slides in T1, like there was something wrong with the surface grip-wise, but I don't know that there actually was anything wrong (ie, I don't think that there was fluid down or anything, although it drove like it).

Unfortunately for me while I was only back 0.3s in Segment 1 (best of Friday/Saturday), the grip was just not there on the first flyer for Segment 2 (Sunday AM), and I had to let some traffic by so I didn't risk their first flyer. After trying to shuffle the other cars around me I tried to make a decent lap on lap 5, which was on-pace to hold 2nd in Max4, but unfortunately some drivers weren't paying enough attention and blocked me hard killing the lap, so I really had no representative time in the AM session and slipped back to 3rd. The track fell off so hard in the afternoon that you couldn't even get within 2-3s of a morning time, so that was that, and I unfortunately finished 3rd. It was still a fun event, but that's probably the worst surface fall-off I've ever experienced, even worse than Gingerman at MWF with all the drifting, and I definitely wasn't alone.

This was a lap on Friday, but this is basically what it was like - one session T1 is trash, next session T1 is ok but the esses are trash, etc:



Overall, I'm still happy with my podium, but it sucks that I wasn't able to push for a faster lap on Sunday, and overall the track surface fall-off did sour the experience of an otherwise pretty awesome event.

 

[BigBird]

Trey ("David") in the Sport 3 FK8 had an issue with an off for Segment 1 (the surface was pretty craptastic all weekend, and differently craptastic in different places depending on the session). Trey actually went off/on in T1 in the session right before my video above, which also had big slides in T1, like there was something wrong with the surface, but I don't know that there actually was anything wrong.

Unfortunately for me while I was only back 0.3s in Segment 1 (best of Friday/Saturday), the grip was just not there on the first flyer for Segment 2 (Sunday AM), and I had to let some traffic by so I didn't risk their first flyer. After trying to shuffle the other cars around me I tried to make a decent lap on lap 5, which was on-pace to hold 2nd in Max4, but unfortunately some drivers weren't paying enough attention and blocked me hard killing the lap, so I really had no representative time in the AM session and slipped back to 3rd. The track fell off so hard in the afternoon that you couldn't even get within 2-3s of a morning time, so that was that, and I unfortunately finished 3rd. It was still a fun event, but that's probably the worst surface fall-off I've ever experienced, even worse than Gingerman at MWF with all the drifting, and I definitely wasn't alone.

This was a lap on Friday, but this is basically what it was like - one session T1 is trash, next session T1 is ok but the esses are trash, etc:



Overall, I'm still happy with my podium, but it sucks that I wasn't able to push for a faster lap on Sunday, and overall the track surface fall-off did sour the experience of an otherwise pretty awesome event.

My buddy who won Sport 3 in the Elantra was basically like he's not even going to try in the afternoon on Sunday.

Good event for you considering you're not fully Max 4. I saw that video yesterday and was cracking up, but I was like the Type R does be like this lol

Which tires were you using for this event?

 

[Rexpelagi]

My buddy who won Sport 3 in the Elantra was basically like he's not even going to try in the afternoon on Sunday.

Good event for you considering you're not fully Max 4. I saw that video yesterday and was cracking up, but I was like the Type R does be like this lol

Which tires were you using for this event?

Ya, there was no point in the afternoon - I only need to get within 1.1s of my fast lap to hold 2nd so I tried 2nd/3rd session Sunday but it was so much work to not even come within 3s of morning times.

I was on RE-71RS's, with the same reverse stagger and setup as ABCC (and largely the same setup as most of the events this year) - I do have my car setup fairly loose but this was absolutely a surface issue with grip inconsistency, as others were dealing with the same thing. My rears were end-of-life by the end of the event, but given they were better some sessions than others and balance in specific spots kept changing dynamically I don't think that was really the cause.

 

[west357]

How long are your RE71s lasting you?

 

[Rexpelagi]

How long are your RE71s lasting you?

I'm getting around 1.5 TT weekends (ie, weekend being 6-8 sessions per weekend of 2-3 push laps per session) on average out of a set of fronts, and about 4 TT weekends out of a set of rears. PittRace specifically really tears up tires for whatever reason. The tire wear life on this platform hasn't been particularly impressive although I've had similar 71RS wear on other cars.

 

[west357]

That’s not great. Thanks for the info. I’m trying to decide on the next set of tires.

 

[Rexpelagi]

That’s not great. Thanks for the info. I’m trying to decide on the next set of tires.

It's obviously driver/car specific - the life was better with a square setup and much less power, but the fronts really get abused when you approach/exceed 400whp on the stock quick-spooling turbo. I run -2.75° front camber as well, which is reduced from where I started (~-3.9°), because for me at least more-extreme front camber absolutely destroyed the inside shoulder in a single event weekend. The wear is much more-even(ish) now across the tread.

 

[Rexpelagi]

@PointByPatrol - I know our discussion was in the other thread, but in order to not clog-up the lap time thread too much I did try some sessions with +R long-press as climbing out of T5 and T17 really puts a strain on the front tires (ie, easy to get inside wheel-spin). Initially I felt like the +R long-press was helping there, although it also tended to induce a little corner exit understeer on-power as it tried to control wheelspin, but it still wasn't really allowing me to just flat-foot it without inside wheel spin. Additionally, it felt like I was getting intervention in other spots that I didn't want - there seemed to be some odd momentum shifts during entry and mid-corner rotation that felt like stability control intervention that were subtle but unwelcome. Ultimately, the car felt better with the pedal dance, as it was a consistent experience that I could modulate in a more-natural way. But, this is also likely a driver preference thing, and I certainly wouldn't fault anyone for using it.

 

[PointByPatrol]

@PointByPatrol - I know our discussion was in the other thread, but in order to not clog-up the lap time thread too much I did try some sessions with +R long-press as climbing out of T5 and T17 really puts a strain on the front tires (ie, easy to get inside wheel-spin). Initially I felt like the +R long-press was helping there, although it also tended to induce a little corner exit understeer on-power as it tried to control wheelspin, but it still wasn't really allowing me to just flat-foot it without inside wheel spin. Additionally, it felt like I was getting intervention in other spots that I didn't want - there seemed to be some odd momentum shifts during entry and mid-corner rotation that felt like stability control intervention that were subtle but unwelcome. Ultimately, the car felt better with the pedal dance, as it was a consistent experience that I could modulate in a more-natural way. But, this is also likely a driver preference thing, and I certainly wouldn't fault anyone for using it.

Glad you gave it a try. Remind me again what your power level is? I believe you also have programmed "boost by gear", so it's possible that our individual experiences would be different based off of those two key points. I do feel the system intervene in some specific areas on the track where I can feel the traction braking the inside front tire to gain some additional rotation at high speed. Otherwise I don't get wheel spin at all with the +R long press, and with pedal dance it just blows the front tires off.

 

[Rexpelagi]

Glad you gave it a try. Remind me again what your power level is? I believe you also have programmed "boost by gear", so it's possible that our individual experiences would be different based off of those two key points. I do feel the system intervene in some specific areas on the track where I can feel the traction braking the inside front tire to gain some additional rotation at high speed. Otherwise I don't get wheel spin at all with the +R long press, and with pedal dance it just blows the front tires off.

Yes we do have different torque profiles for sure! I should have been around 410whp/tq in this configuration - I do have torque reduction in 1st/2nd/3rd (on this tune) of -12%/-8%/-4% (since cars these days are torque based that drives the boost level so it's not technically boost-by-gear), so that does help, although it's interesting that you have issues with it as I believe you are around ~385whp (obviously dyno vs. dyno), but also with your bigger turbo and slower spool it's probably a reduced torque spike abruptness-wise vs. what I'm trying to manage around (but I also lose less to modulation since I can get the boost back faster).

 

[johnny.silva7]

Took the car out to COTA yesterday on a very hot day, but still managed a decent lap.

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