FL5 overall range possoble recall needed

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I don't own a FL5, but I've owned various versions of 9th, 10th, and 11th gen civics. In each generation the "range calculation" is usually fairly accurate at fill up, but the accuracy drops as the range drops to zero.

To test this, the first few thousand miles of each civic I have owned I kept meticulous track of fuel mileage independent of the onboard computer, in order to verify the computer range, mileage and fuel tank size. I usually use the fuelly app, but a simple spreadsheet will suffice.

These are my conclusions after hundreds of thousands of miles in civics:

I ignore the range and fuel low light. First step is to know your fuel tank size (12.4 gallons for both the 10th and 11th gen civics I have owned). Next is to look at your computer calculated fuel mileage (important: for this figure to be accurate reset your trip A odometer at each fill up). Subtract by one and multiply this by the tank safety factor. What is my tank safety factor? I used 12.0 for my 10th and 11th gen cars, which leaves .4 in reserve.

For example, if my current computer MPG shows 35.5, I multiply 34.5 x 12 to get a current range of 414 miles on that particular tank. I almost never push it to the fuel "calculation" before I refuel, but I keep that number in mind and fill up when it gets fairly close. So in this example of 414 miles I would almost certainly fill up before I get to 400 miles on the tank. This usually has me filling up when my range reads 0, but it also keeps a solid reserve of about 1 gallon in my tank at fill up (this has proven pretty consistent in my cars).

I don't see why this method wouldn't work for the FL5. It takes the guesswork out of it.
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I see you are in NJ and like the guys before said, winter gas plays a role if that is a thing where you are.
The only thing I was going to add was that I know my tank fills up all the way every time, because I can hear it coming up the tube when the pump shuts off - something I've paid extreme attention to ever since owning a diesel. When I read this it hit me - OP is from New Jersey, I think they're the last state in the country where drivers can't pump their own gas, right? If so, he wouldn't be able to hear the fuel coming up the tube to shutoff if he's not doing the pumping. Different pumps, different guys pumping could give much different shutoff points.

I haven't noticed anything weird at all fuel-wise aside from my calculated fuel economy being 1 to 2 mpg higher than actual, which is the norm for all cars I've ever owned. I'm at ~1500 miles of 24-25mpg mostly off-highway. I don't let the tank get low, especially this time of year to avoid condensation. I get anywhere between 6 and 9 gallons when I fill this peanut tank up.
 

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(important: for this figure to be accurate reset your trip A odometer at each fill up).
Also, one of my favorite features of this car (I'd guess common on all the Civics?) is there is an option in vehicle settings to automatically reset the trip meter any time the gas tank is filled up :headbang: and when you inevitably forget to look at the meter before filling up, it records the mileage of each reset in one of the car apps - trip or mileage info or something.
 

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Also, one of my favorite features of this car (I'd guess common on all the Civics?) is there is an option in vehicle settings to automatically reset the trip meter any time the gas tank is filled up :headbang: and when you inevitably forget to look at the meter before filling up, it records the mileage of each reset in one of the car apps - trip or mileage info or something.
It wasn't a feature on my 10th gen, but is on my 11th. I suppose its all 11th?
 


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Driving habits change the miles to empty estimate. When I take the car to the track it'll drop down to 80 miles or so, and it stays this way, even after the track during normal street driving for a few refills before it starts to return to a number that isn't absurd. I haven't checked, because I really don't care too much, but there is likely a way to reset the mileage estimate, and start from scratch.
 

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When I first got.thr car DTE showed 340 or so. Now it shows 275 on a full tank but will change some based on driving. Just came back from a road trip and saw about 28 mpg and my DTE is back in the 300s.
 

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Just depends on your driving... When I was doing mostly city driving my average was like 24 mpg I'd sit around 230 miles on fill up. Now that I'm mostly on the highway it's working it's way up pretty quick.

11th Gen Honda Civic FL5 overall range possoble recall needed PXL_20240430_231454615
 

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I think Honda has a margin of error they build in to keep you from being stranded.

I pulled into Costco once with my DTE showing -0-. And yet it still didn't take 12.4 gallons. or even 12. Maybe 11.4 or 11.5 gallons on a supposedly bone dry tank.

Those extra 20-30 miles probably are nice to have, but I would prefer to know where I am really at. I just mentally add another 25-30 miles above the DTE estimate.

As I live 15 miles or more from the nearest gas, and a good 25-30 from the nearest Costco, our house rule is that we refill cars when they get to a quarter tank.
 


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My only issue (a bit very small one) is that my dash mpg is 1.5-2 mpg higher than what I get when I do the math at the pump.
 

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Better than starting a new thread.

Man, now that the weather has been good and my driving habits are much more consistent with the car.. I get some pretty bad fuel economy with this thing. 22-23 mpg.

And to the OP's original point, the fuel gauge is pretty dumb. It seems like the gas gauge equivalent of the track-type tachometers where 3/4 of the bar is 5000-7000 RPM, with 0-5000 RPM compressed in the first quarter.

When it's down to the half-way point on the gauge the car takes like 5 gallons. I run it down to 3 bars left, I expect it to take 9-10 gallons and it barely takes 7 :dunno:
 

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I don't think Op is crazy about tank volume and gas gauge. I just traded in a 2023 si for 2024 type r and takes should be the same but there's something funny with the tank in the type r. Si would take 39-40L to fill from fuel warning light, type r is maybe 36-37L. Thats 10% smaller fuel capacity. Mileage aside, I've never experienced a car with a tank this small and I don't understand why it would be any different than the tank in the 11 Gen si.
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