*The FL5 Track Junkie Thread*

[BigBird]

Here is my best lap from the weekend. After doing some data review I think I just need to trail brake more to get some rotation in the slow corners. Seems to be where I'm losing most of my time. The car got loose going through T8 on one of the opening laps so I was a little hesitant to throw it in too hard but I think once the rear tires got some heat in them I could have benefited from being a little more aggressive on turn in.

yes, this feels super sketchy and confidence sapping esp since you have a Miata, where more gas is more rotation, this is like the opposite, but with more snap if done wrong. So I get it

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[yeaitsahonda]

yes, this feels super sketchy and confidence sapping esp since you have a Miata, where more gas is more rotation, this is like the opposite, but with more snap if done wrong. So I get it

For sure. This car reminds me of my AP1 when it comes to lift off oversteer. I just haven't adapted to the FWD fix of more throttle yet. I guess I'll just have to get more seat time in the Type R. Oh darn lol.

 

[Club Version]

Here is my best lap from the weekend. After doing some data review I think I just need to trail brake more to get some rotation in the slow corners. Seems to be where I'm losing most of my time. The car got loose going through T8 on one of the opening laps so I was a little hesitant to throw it in too hard but I think once the rear tires got some heat in them I could have benefited from being a little more aggressive on turn in.

100% this car benefits a lot from deep trail braking.

 

[Rexpelagi]

If you decide to run SCCA tuner, you can not even have the sensor

Yep, and that's where I'd run as it sits now, although I'm more interested in GL competitiveness (or what I can get) vs. SCCA competitiveness.

 

[Rexpelagi]

most turbos for this platform are hybrid and fit in the stock frame, so it would not need the restrictor.

Interesting, I read this as the 40mm restrictor being required for any turbo change, but now that I read closer maybe that's not correct (since it has the line regarding the "in the above allowance"). Which options for us would work here? I guess I should do some research...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/...3aA9LxDbsFFyUXqDD-JuQfw5GqgoySKfE9EWx_Hxa/pub

 

[Tougefl5]

Interesting, I read this as the 40mm restrictor being required for any turbo change, but now that I read closer maybe that's not correct (since it has the line regarding the "in the above allowance"). Which options for us would work here? I guess I should do some research...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/...3aA9LxDbsFFyUXqDD-JuQfw5GqgoySKfE9EWx_Hxa/pub

You are going to be flying around the track with your new kuro lol

 

[yeaitsahonda]

100% this car benefits a lot from deep trail braking.

With my old Integra I took it out for an entire session with the intent of spinning out in one section where there was plenty of runoff as an exercise to learn trail braking. Looks like I need to do that again haha.

 

[TW00Si]

With my old Integra I took it out for an entire session with the intent of spinning out in one section where there was plenty of runoff as an exercise to learn trail braking. Looks like I need to do that again haha.

Can you explain the proper way to trail brake?

 

[svvitch]

Break out the sit and spin

 

[yeaitsahonda]

Can you explain the proper way to trail brake?

I'll do my best. It's basically a term that refers to keeping weight on the front tires when turning into a corner. As you brake hard for a corner the nose dives and weight is moved over the front axle and off of the rear. If you come off the brakes completely and then coast until turn in the weight moves back over the rear axle and off of the front. So when you turn in you have less weight on the front and more on the back making the car rotate less. If you keep some braking input so the front is still down and the rear is up the car will turn in sharper and the rear will rotate easier due to less weight. It's great in slow speed corners for getting the steering wheel pointed straight again as early as possible but if you over do it you'll be doing a Formula D reverse entry.

This is the quick simple I gotta get back to work explanation. There is a lot of finesse to it because the front tires can only do so much. Too much brake and it won't turn in at all. Too little and it will be like mentioned above about coasting into the corner. Takes a lot of practice to figure out just how much brake needs to be carried after turn in to get the rotation to happen. I haven't figured it out with this car yet.

 

[TW00Si]

I'll do my best. It's basically a term that refers to keeping weight on the front tires when turning into a corner. As you brake hard for a corner the nose dives and weight is moved over the front axle and off of the rear. If you come off the brakes completely and then coast until turn in the weight moves back over the rear axle and off of the front. So when you turn in you have less weight on the front and more on the back making the car rotate less. If you keep some braking input so the front is still down and the rear is up the car will turn in sharper and the rear will rotate easier due to less weight. It's great in slow speed corners for getting the steering wheel pointed straight again as early as possible but if you over do it you'll be doing a Formula D reverse entry.

This is the quick simple I gotta get back to work explanation. There is a lot of finesse to it because the front tires can only do so much. Too much brake and it won't turn in at all. Too little and it will be like mentioned above about coasting into the corner. Takes a lot of practice to figure out just how much brake needs to be carried after turn in to get the rotation to happen. I haven't figured it out with this car yet.

Thank you. So shed enough speed to turn but leave some left for additional braking through the corner.

 

[Rexpelagi]

You are going to be flying around the track with your new kuro lol

@BigBird It looks like this was investigated before, at least on the FK8, and the consensus was the stock turbo is almost at the flow rate limit, and the Kuro is over at 53lb/min:

https://www.civicx.com/forum/threads/gridlife-2023-rule-update-and-turbo-question.79398/

Not sure how the FL5 turbo compares to the FK8 turbo, but the Kuro still would be way over the limit if that thread is correct.

 

[BigBird]

@BigBird It looks like this was investigated before, at least on the FK8, and the consensus was the stock turbo is almost at the flow rate limit, and the Kuro is over at 53lb/min:

https://www.civicx.com/forum/threads/gridlife-2023-rule-update-and-turbo-question.79398/

Not sure how the FL5 turbo compares to the FK8 turbo, but the Kuro still would be way over the limit if that thread is correct.

Supposedly those Subarus and Evos make over 400 whp, they have to be doing something.

 

[Rexpelagi]

Supposedly those Subarus and Evos make over 400 whp, they have to be doing something.

Well, if they are STI engines they have 20% more displacement than us, and considering I can easily make 400+ whp on e85 I don't know that it's that unreasonable.

The Evos may not quite get there but having driven both I think the Evo has the lighter/better chassis, and they also may be able to take advantage of turbo swaps depending on their stock setup.

 

[Torsion]

Here is my best lap from the weekend. After doing some data review I think I just need to trail brake more to get some rotation in the slow corners. Seems to be where I'm losing most of my time. The car got loose going through T8 on one of the opening laps so I was a little hesitant to throw it in too hard but I think once the rear tires got some heat in them I could have benefited from being a little more aggressive on turn in.

Congrats, that's a good lap! SP is my home track.

What tires and setup do you have, and what are the mods to your car?

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