PointByPatrol #21985 Build Journal! RIP #9243

[Club Version]

Yet another reason I don't like pilot sports for the track...

Yup! That’s what soft sidewalls look like after a track day. I have no complaints with my A052’s!!

 

[MooMoo]

well soft walls + low camber.

Last track day with the ps4s since my track wheels with rs4s were not ready I was babying the tires cuz I did not want to bust the dailies, they just can't handle track days unless you are an absolute beginner. When I started a couple of years ago I did 6/7 track days with the ps4s, they were fine but I feel like I could kill em in a half of that now no problem, specially on a track with mostly right handers and not rotating them

 

[PointByPatrol]

I've got a little care package coming from 4Piston tomorrow! Can anyone guess what it is???? Wrong answers only!

 

[ayospoonay]

3 pistons?

 

[PointByPatrol]

3 pistons?

LOL GR ROLLA STATUS!

 

[Zpeedster M]

Stickers? lol

 

[PointByPatrol]

Stickers? lol

lol I hope I get some stickers! Certainly spent enough!!!

 

[J1Avs]

19's are not the way. 18's offer more side wall and are simply a better option for the track. (Yes, you can do it, obviously I am, but I'm switching for the next track event.) If you autocross, then feel free to keep the 19's

Glad to see you back out there -- best thing after a wreck is getting back in the seat and pulling that bandaid off.

I've got to disagree with you here though -- 19's are not a problem at all, and 18's definitely are not objectively better. You can run a 35 pro sidewall on the 19's just fine, and it opens up a ton of tire options. Some that are actually cheaper than their 18 equivalent in 265 or 275.

I've been running 265/35/19 on +60 offset without any issue. Sure the speedo is off, but I'm not looking at it anyway. After experimenting with an 18x9.5 +45 with 265/35/18 for a few track days now, I'm actually going back permanently to a 19x9.5 +60.

More sidewall doesn't equal better, it's just a preference. The car is more sluggish on the taller sidewall, but it provides better comfort on the street and a bit more compliance on bumps and curbing on track. -- its a tradeoff. All really depends on the tire as well -- Michelins, Conti, Yokes all have a notorious soft sidewall, which either require a lot of camber OR special compounds like the H0 Spec Michelins to fight sidewall wear. For instance, I see substantially less rollover on the 71RS due to the sidewall rigidity than I see in the ECF with the same profile.

 

[ABPDE5]

I've got a little care package coming from 4Piston tomorrow! Can anyone guess what it is???? Wrong answers only!

Well... we know you have the block... so... head? Ported + valvetrain + cams + gasket?

 

[PointByPatrol]

Glad to see you back out there -- best thing after a wreck is getting back in the seat and pulling that bandaid off.

I've got to disagree with you here though -- 19's are not a problem at all, and 18's definitely are not objectively better. You can run a 35 pro sidewall on the 19's just fine, and it opens up a ton of tire options. Some that are actually cheaper than their 18 equivalent in 265 or 275.

I've been running 265/35/19 on +60 offset without any issue. Sure the speedo is off, but I'm not looking at it anyway. After experimenting with an 18x9.5 +45 with 265/35/18 for a few track days now, I'm actually going back permanently to a 19x9.5 +60.

More sidewall doesn't equal better, it's just a preference. The car is more sluggish on the taller sidewall, but it provides better comfort on the street and a bit more compliance on bumps and curbing on track. -- its a tradeoff. All really depends on the tire as well -- Michelins, Conti, Yokes all have a notorious soft sidewall, which either require a lot of camber OR special compounds like the H0 Spec Michelins to fight sidewall wear. For instance, I see substantially less rollover on the 71RS due to the sidewall rigidity than I see in the ECF with the same profile.

These are all valid points. The 18's are definitely my preference. I tend to use a lot of curbing, but also enjoy the savings in unsprung weight with the lighter wheel/tire combo.

 

[PointByPatrol]

Well... we know you have the block... so... head? Ported + valvetrain + cams + gasket?

I like where this is going....................Minus porting and cams.

 

[J1Avs]

These are all valid points. The 18's are definitely my preference. I tend to use a lot of curbing, but also enjoy the savings in unsprung weight with the lighter wheel/tire combo.

Curbing is fine with the same profile on the 19's, since its the same amount of sidewall...and it really is just track dependent too. VIR's gators are much more aggressive then some other tracks curb's, while some can be even worse.

I definitely wouldn't stick with the stock cast 19's as they weigh a ton, but the OE Forged are 21.3lbs, which is only 3lbs over the 18x9.5 TS-5's and VS-5RS's. Accounting for tire weight, in a 265/30/19 in most tires nets a 1-2lb overall difference between 19 and 18, while a 265/35/19 nets a 3-4lbs difference in common tire sizes. So definitely marginally more weight, but, it's definitely not like those back breaking OE cast wheels ?.

I always find it odd that people often ignore tire weight -- especially when they weigh more than the wheels , and some weigh WAY more than others. In some instances that's for heat tolerances, in others, you can see where a tire manufacturer doesn't put forth the R&D. For example, in 265/35/18, the RT660 weighs 5 more pounds per tire than an A052!

 

[PointByPatrol]

Curbing is fine with the same profile on the 19's, since its the same amount of sidewall...and it really is just track dependent too. VIR's gators are much more aggressive then some other tracks curb's, while some can be even worse.

I definitely wouldn't stick with the stock cast 19's as they weigh a ton, but the OE Forged are 21.3lbs, which is only 3lbs over the 18x9.5 TS-5's and VS-5RS's. Accounting for tire weight, in a 265/30/19 in most tires nets a 1-2lb overall difference between 19 and 18, while a 265/35/19 nets a 3-4lbs difference in common tire sizes. So definitely marginally more weight, but, it's definitely not like those back breaking OE cast wheels ?.

I always find it odd that people often ignore tire weight -- especially when they weigh more than the wheels , and some weigh WAY more than others. In some instances that's for heat tolerances, in others, you can see where a tire manufacturer doesn't put forth the R&D. For example, in 265/35/18, the RT660 weighs 5 more pounds per tire than an A052!

I was out riding on the cast 19's, and the curbs at VIR were not very friendly on them. CMP has absolutely BRUTAL curbing as well. I couldn't imagine running on the stock wheels even with a 35 sidewall at CMP whilst expecting to keep my teeth at the same time. The factory forged option is definitely the way to go if you prefer to stay with the 19's, and while I haven't looked at the weights, I'd imagine there are several fairly light aftermarket options in that size. On my last car I was running 18x9.5's with Nitto NT01's (275/35/18), and I absolutely loved that setup. I'm going to branch out a little bit and try a different tire. I'm considering giving the Kumho V730's a try.

 

[J1Avs]

I was out riding on the cast 19's, and the curbs at VIR were not very friendly on them. CMP has absolutely BRUTAL curbing as well. I couldn't imagine running on the stock wheels even with a 35 sidewall at CMP whilst expecting to keep my teeth at the same time. The factory forged option is definitely the way to go if you prefer to stay with the 19's, and while I haven't looked at the weights, I'd imagine there are several fairly light aftermarket options in that size. On my last car I was running 18x9.5's with Nitto NT01's (275/35/18), and I absolutely loved that setup. I'm going to branch out a little bit and try a different tire. I'm considering giving the Kumho V730's a try.

Man, I don't remember the CMP curbs being that bad, but I was also in my old Supra on a very nice set of JRZ RS Pro 3 Ways, so kind of just ate everything up without much care ?

I think you'll find the V730 a nice balance between the NT01 and something like a 71RS. Sacrifice some life for some extra grip, while still having a tire that can handle abuse. The ECF has been nice as well -- I've done 7? days on them this year and they look great. Lower grip than the V730, but hyper communicative and consistent, but like the grip of the 71RS in optimal window is intoxicating

I still can't believe Nitto makes the NT01...it's been like 20 years without an update ?

 

[Club Version]

Man, I don't remember the CMP curbs being that bad, but I was also in my old Supra on a very nice set of JRZ RS Pro 3 Ways, so kind of just ate everything up without much care ?

I think you'll find the V730 a nice balance between the NT01 and something like a 71RS. Sacrifice some life for some extra grip, while still having a tire that can handle abuse. The ECF has been nice as well -- I've done 7? days on them this year and they look great. Lower grip than the V730, but hyper communicative and consistent, but like the grip of the 71RS in optimal window is intoxicating

I still can't believe Nitto makes the NT01...it's been like 20 years without an update ?

I’m actually running 255 35 R19 AO52’s on the OEM wheels and I’m loving it!! I bomb all the curbs at my local tracks with no problems. Also, the tight fitting Advans make the steering input more reactive as well.

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