Worm Gear Recall Fix Reviews

[MooMoo]

I don’t understand how car is fine, goes in for the recall and now needs a new rack.

Well I brought it back to Honda today and they told me they need to replace the steering rack.

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[abellp]

I don’t understand how car is fine, goes in for the recall and now needs a new rack.

Trust me, I'm just as curious. Literally a day or two later I got in my car to grab gas, turned the wheel while stationary and heard a sound.

 

[cryptolime]

i had my steering rack replaced at 18k miles. Then had the recall done at 53k miles.

I'm at 62k miles now and it's not sticky but sometimes when taking a long turn, it feels notchy when returning to center. Like i can feel the EPS motor pulling it back to center but it doesn't feel smooth. Feels like it's grabbing the wheel and pulling it back to center. I wonder if it could the LSD locking up?

I wonder if there's a way to reset the EPS torque sensor values? It seemed to happen overnight. Hard to believe the steering rack could be going bad again. I don't abuse my car at all.

I watched a youtube video and apparently there's a way to jump some pins and reset the EPS calibration. has anyone tried that? Might try disconnecting the battery overnight and see what happens.

 

[FiveSeven108]

I'm about to buy a 2025 type r that was first sold in 02/2025, is there a way i can check if this recall has been done yet?

 

[zumbooruk]

I'm about to buy a 2025 type r that was first sold in 02/2025, is there a way i can check if this recall has been done yet?

https://mygarage.honda.com/s/recall-search?brand=honda

your date sold should mean fix before sold (dealer cannot sell cars with a recall)

however, also check when the care was made on the door sticker

supposedly, if made after October (or was it August) 2024, the rack is using the new and improved parts and did not need the recall

the USA recall "fix" is "workaround" rather than a fix (with the exception of one or two reports from Europe where Honda actually replaced the part)

also note:

however, there could be two reasons for "doesn't need the recall", already fixed before sold. or never needed it in the first place (i.e. the newer rack was installed at the factory)

way back in September and October, I looked up several VIN numbers for new cars that were in dealer inventory (2024 and 2025 model years), they all came clean, even the 2024 model year.

what I found out was that cars that were fixed at the dealership before being sold will come back clean

i.e. no recall since it was fixed before sold

which is why I delayed my FL5 purchase... but did I delay it long enough?

so my question still stands: were our cars "fixed before sold" (possibly at the factory), or did they have the "new and improved" steering rack installed at the factory?

 

[B16B]

I'm about to buy a 2025 type r that was first sold in 02/2025, is there a way i can check if this recall has been done yet?

The 2025's shouldn't have the recall. Even if it did, the dealer would have to correct it before handing it over to the first owner. You can always check online with the vin or license plate: https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls

 

[Robotaz]

My dealer called out of the blue and said hey we have a white CTR coming, do I want it. I said I’ll call back tomorrow, let me check on something.

You have got to be freaking kidding me that this steering problem is still ongoing. Honda has completely shot themselves in the foot on this. I don’t understand anyone trusting Honda with hard earned money at this point. I really don’t. Such a shame. This steering debacle has turned a person with 5 Civic Si, 2 Accord v6 coupes, a Type R, and a Ridgeline into a person who will never buy one again. This is a shocking case of corporate suicide. Unbelievable and one for the business schools to discuss for decades.

 

[J_D]

My dealer called out of the blue and said hey we have a white CTR coming, do I want it. I said I’ll call back tomorrow, let me check on something.

You have got to be freaking kidding me that this steering problem is still ongoing. Honda has completely shot themselves in the foot on this. I don’t understand anyone trusting Honda with hard earned money at this point. I really don’t. Such a shame. This steering debacle has turned a person with 5 Civic Si, 2 Accord v6 coupes, a Type R, and a Ridgeline into a person who will never buy one again. This is a shocking case of corporate suicide. Unbelievable and one for the business schools to discuss for decades.

idk man I just went in for a 1 hour appointment back in ~April and had no issues since

 

[MoodySara]

My dealer called out of the blue and said hey we have a white CTR coming, do I want it. I said I’ll call back tomorrow, let me check on something.
You have got to be freaking kidding me that this steering problem is still ongoing. Honda has completely shot themselves in the foot on this...

My FL5 with a December 2024 build, didn't need the fix. A new CTR wouldn't need it either.
My wife's 2024 Civic Touring did need the fix. It was awful before getting fixed, but has been fine since.

 

[zumbooruk]

my issue with Honda is that the "fix" for the recall is not a fix, it is a workaround bad metaloury

the primary cause of the steering issue was an insufficient annealing process during the production of the steering gearbox worm wheel and a high-load single unit break-in process during manufacturing further compromised its material properties. As a result, the worm wheel teeth were prone to swelling when exposed to environmental heat and moisture, which increased the pressure angle and surface pressure. This swelling reduced the grease film thickness between the worm wheel and worm gear, leading to excessive internal friction

Compounding the issue, the worm gear spring preload was set too high, increasing the sliding force between the worm wheel and worm gear. This combination of factors resulted in higher friction and torque fluctuation, manifesting as symptoms such as abnormal steering noise, a "sticky" feeling when turning the steering wheel, and increased steering effort, particularly at highway speeds or with low vehicle mileage

The issue was attributed to manufacturing flaws at the supplier, Hitachi Astemo Americas

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCLRPT-24V744-4093.PDF

Which is why I consider the recall fix of just adding more grease a “workaround”

also, not needing the workaround, does not mean that the car has the properly manufactured part. all it means that the workaround was applied either by the dealer before selling the car, or even at the factory when they still had a bunch of the original bad parts.

there is no way to know which part is inside our steering racks. is it the bad part with extra grease? or is the the new properly manufactured part?

 

[MooMoo]

I agree with that and only time will tell if this fix will actually take or if a bunch of people will have to have new racks installed but now their cars are out of warranty.

 

[hoping2Get1]

I have yet to go in for the recall. Purchased July of ‘24, currently 14k miles, so far steering seems fine.

 

[Robotaz]

I agree with that and only time will tell if this fix will actually take or if a bunch of people will have to have new racks installed but now their cars are out of warranty.

That is exactly why I’ll never trust Honda again. They chose to slap grease in defective parts to get you down the road until you’re screwed out of warranty. It’s shameful what they did and I’m praying to God as a 2024 Nissan Z owner that Nissan does not partner with those crooks.

 

[Robotaz]

my issue with Honda is that the "fix" for the recall is not a fix, it is a workaround bad metaloury

the primary cause of the steering issue was an insufficient annealing process during the production of the steering gearbox worm wheel and a high-load single unit break-in process during manufacturing further compromised its material properties. As a result, the worm wheel teeth were prone to swelling when exposed to environmental heat and moisture, which increased the pressure angle and surface pressure. This swelling reduced the grease film thickness between the worm wheel and worm gear, leading to excessive internal friction

Compounding the issue, the worm gear spring preload was set too high, increasing the sliding force between the worm wheel and worm gear. This combination of factors resulted in higher friction and torque fluctuation, manifesting as symptoms such as abnormal steering noise, a "sticky" feeling when turning the steering wheel, and increased steering effort, particularly at highway speeds or with low vehicle mileage

The issue was attributed to manufacturing flaws at the supplier, Hitachi Astemo Americas

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCLRPT-24V744-4093.PDF

Which is why I consider the recall fix of just adding more grease a “workaround”

also, not needing the workaround, does not mean that the car has the properly manufactured part. all it means that the workaround was applied either by the dealer before selling the car, or even at the factory when they still had a bunch of the original bad parts.

there is no way to know which part is inside our steering racks. is it the bad part with extra grease? or is the the new properly manufactured part?

They’ve been giving lip service for FIVE YEARS. If you think they are going to actually fix the car, or that new racks after year after year of promises and excuses are suddenly going to be right, you’re nuts. Honda proved they are a finance company, not a car company. You either buy in and give them money, or you don’t. They think customers are idiots and will just keep handing over cash. Not me.

 

[cryptolime]

i had my rack replaced at 18k miles and had the recall done at 55k miles. steering felt looser ever since getting recall done and now my rack has developed play and a clunking in the steering. now, i have to replace my rack again at 69k miles.

i highly suggest NOT getting the recall done unless your steering is binding. and, even then, you probably really need a new rack.

great recall Honda...sure glad i bought an extended warranty.

Honda should be paying for the new rack. Not my aftermarket warranty.

i have an Si but i imagine the racks suffer from the same problem.

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