TSP Stage 1 Tune for the 2017+ Civic Si (Cobra Race Support Included!)

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V2 also doubles as an ODB2 scanner for pulling codes. The phone app that pairs with the V1.2 does not.
 

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Would I regret not spending the extra $200 bucks? Would you suggest pulling the trigger if I have the extra money?
My only thing is, I want to keep it as simple as possible because I don't have anyone to do the tuning for me so I will be on my own.
Kinda learning as I go. Putting money I am saving from the mechanic into more upgrades.
 
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Would I regret not spending the extra $200 bucks? Would you suggest pulling the trigger if I have the extra money?
My only thing is, I want to keep it as simple as possible because I don't have anyone to do the tuning for me so I will be on my own.
Kinda learning as I go. Putting money I am saving from the mechanic into more upgrades.
Please keep in mind that V2 units are backordered for a 1-2 week minimum at this time.
 

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I have a V2 and would be perfectly content to have a 1.2V. If you don't plan on keeping the device in the car, I'd say save $200 and go with the 1.2V. The only real advantage I see is being able to drive around and see some data in real-time... but since I do this only post-flash... and I could accomplish the same thing by just doing a data log and looking at the data after the drive on my computer, it isn't really that necessary. The 2.0 was seemingly a decent step up from the 1.0 (1.2s didn't exist when I got mine), but the 1.2 closed the gap... and I don't think it actually cost more than the old 1.0 cost.
When it comes to electronic gizmos, I tend to spent more than I really need to... like getting phones with way more storage than is needed. I hate buying something and regretting not going 'all the way'... but in this case, a 1.2 doesn't have any reduced functionality I know of... just loses the screen for ~2/3 the cost.
 


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Would I regret not spending the extra $200 bucks? Would you suggest pulling the trigger if I have the extra money?
My only thing is, I want to keep it as simple as possible because I don't have anyone to do the tuning for me so I will be on my own.
Kinda learning as I go. Putting money I am saving from the mechanic into more upgrades.
I actually bought a V1.2 a few months after my V2.0, and am currently selling my V2.0. I had no intention of mounting the V2.0 to monitor parameters, and when I tried a few times anyway, I could never find a comfortable way to route the long ODB2 cable that connects the unit to the car's port. It always either dangled (hitting my legs), or blocked my view. By contrast, the V1.2 is just a small bluetooth module that plugs directly into the car's ODB2 port. It's about 2" x 1" in size, only weighs a few grams, and plugs directly into the port itself, without any dangling parts (it never comes close to touching my legs, if you were wondering). You just plug it in, leave it in, and forget that it's there - out of sight, out of mind.

Since it is basically the car's equivalent of an oversized USB stick, you need to connect to it via bluetooth using another device. Previously, this was done through an Android app on your phone called TunerView. However, in an a super neat development, a version of the TunerView app called TunerView Lite was released for the car's head unit itself. You would need to root (jailbreak) the head unit first and pair it via Bluetooth with the V1.2. Once you do though, you can basically use your car's stereo screen to flash tunes, take logs, or monitor all of your car's parameters - no phone required. While I never originally intended to monitor parameters, I find that I now use it every day and it's super convenient and clean!

The V2.0 does a little more, is able to show a few more parameters simultaneously, and is physically a very premium product. That said, the V1.2 allows for a completely "stealth" build, and fits my needs perfectly. That's why I ultimately decided to sell my V2.0 and go with the V1.2.
 

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By contrast, the V1.2 is just a small bluetooth module that plugs directly into the car's ODB2 port.
I didn't realize it was that small and w/o the cord. That's a *huge* benefit for those who want to run it 24/7. The only drawback for the '18 crowd is that the tuner view stuff still doesn't work as I understand. For the '16-'17 crowd... there's practically no reason to own a V2.0 once you run the data through your infomat.
 

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I actually bought a V1.2 a few months after my V2.0, and am currently selling my V2.0. I had no intention of mounting the V2.0 to monitor parameters, and when I tried a few times anyway, I could never find a comfortable way to route the long ODB2 cable that connects the unit to the car's port. It always either dangled (hitting my legs), or blocked my view. By contrast, the V1.2 is just a small bluetooth module that plugs directly into the car's ODB2 port. It's about 2" x 1" in size, only weighs a few grams, and plugs directly into the port itself, without any dangling parts (it never comes close to touching my legs, if you were wondering). You just plug it in, leave it in, and forget that it's there - out of sight, out of mind.

Since it is basically the car's equivalent of an oversized USB stick, you need to connect to it via bluetooth using another device. Previously, this was done through an Android app on your phone called TunerView. However, in an a super neat development, a version of the TunerView app called TunerView Lite was released for the car's head unit itself. You would need to root (jailbreak) the head unit first and pair it via Bluetooth with the V1.2. Once you do though, you can basically use your car's stereo screen to flash tunes, take logs, or monitor all of your car's parameters - no phone required. While I never originally intended to monitor parameters, I find that I now use it every day and it's super convenient and clean!

The V2.0 does a little more, is able to show a few more parameters simultaneously, and is physically a very premium product. That said, the V1.2 allows for a completely "stealth" build, and fits my needs perfectly. That's why I ultimately decided to sell my V2.0 and go with the V1.2.
Awesome write-up! You can use TunerView Lite on your rooted headunit to flash tunes?! So you can store actual tunes onto the headunit's memory and flash as if were a laptop?! That's crazy. Do you need to load them into the headunit via USB first? Very interested on how this all works. How does running TunerView Lite on your headunit interact with its other functions like the radio and Android Auto/Apple CarPlay?
 

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I didn't realize it was that small and w/o the cord. That's a *huge* benefit for those who want to run it 24/7. The only drawback for the '18 crowd is that the tuner view stuff still doesn't work as I understand. For the '16-'17 crowd... there's practically no reason to own a V2.0 once you run the data through your infomat.
Wait what's holding the '18s back from using TunerView Lite on their headunits opposed to '16-'17? I thought the headunits were the same?

Edit: I see that the '18s are waiting on a way to root: http://www.ktuner.com/KTunerHelp/tunerview_lite.htm
 

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Thank you very much @charleswrivers and @davemarco. :goodpost:
It looks like V1.2 is definitely the way to go for me. If I get super into all the numbers in real time, I will upgrade.
It does not seem 100% necessary for me right now. Most of the numbers would be complete Chinese to me right now anyways.
One step at a time...
I think I am gonna pull the trigger tomorrow. (Payday)
 


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Wait what's holding the '18s back from using TunerView Lite on their headunits opposed to '16-'17? I thought the headunits were the same?
There's a thread for tuner view... I think maybe Ktuner themselves started. The last I saw, the '18s still could not use it. While the hardware is the same, I thought there were software differences that prevented it from working. This is as of several weeks ago... so it may no longer be a thing.

Edit: here it is... the problem was you can't get it to pair to the HU. That was as of ~ 1 month ago. I think it's still a thing.

https://www.civicx.com/threads/tunerview-lite-now-available-for-the-head-unit.23118/page-14
 

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I didn't realize it was that small and w/o the cord. That's a *huge* benefit for those who want to run it 24/7. The only drawback for the '18 crowd is that the tuner view stuff still doesn't work as I understand. For the '16-'17 crowd... there's practically no reason to own a V2.0 once you run the data through your infomat.
Yep - unlike Hondata which, if I recall correctly, is similar to a small laptop power brick and connects to the car via a long cable, the V1.2 is the size of large container of Tic Tacs (but lighter) and plugs directly in. You can wirelessly monitor everything, flash tunes, or take logs. And when you head into the dealer for service, just use your car's stock infotainment screen to flash back to stock, pop off the V1.2 and throw it in your pocket. Good to go.
 

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Yep - unlike Hondata which, if I recall correctly, is similar to a small laptop power brick and connects to the car via a long cable, the V1.2 is the size of large container of Tic Tacs (but lighter) and plugs directly in. You can wirelessly monitor everything, flash tunes, or take logs. And when you head into the dealer for service, just use your car's stock infotainment screen to flash back to stock, pop off the V1.2 and throw it in your pocket. Good to go.
F%$K yeah.....:headbang:
Once this works for my 18...
 

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Awesome write-up! You can use TunerView Lite on your rooted headunit to flash tunes?! So you can store actual tunes onto the headunit's memory and flash as if were a laptop?! That's crazy. Do you need to load them into the headunit via USB first? Very interested on how this all works. How does running TunerView Lite on your headunit interact with its other functions like the radio and Android Auto/Apple CarPlay?
The tunes are actually stored on the V1.2 itself - it's like a large flash memory stick with an ODB2 connector on the end. When you want to load a new tune onto it, you just take it inside and plug it into your computer (via a standard micro USB to USB A port on the back). Save your tunes to the module using the KTuner desktop app, then disconnect, pop it back on the car, and use the TunerView Lite app right from the stereo's infotainment screen to flash. FYI - this is also how you load tunes onto the V2.0, so no difference between the two versions there.

The Tunerview Lite app itself doesn't interfere with anything. The head unit is basically an Android tablet, so it can multitask. Just load up your radio station or Android Auto music like normal, then go "Home", hit the app launcher button (circle with dots in the center), and load up TunerView. If you've owned any Android phone in the last 4 years, then you're already familiar with the process. The head unit works the same way.
 

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Wait what's holding the '18s back from using TunerView Lite on their headunits opposed to '16-'17? I thought the headunits were the same?

Edit: I see that the '18s are waiting on a way to root: http://www.ktuner.com/KTunerHelp/tunerview_lite.htm
Nope, there is root available for the 18's already. It's actually a bluetooth issue holding things up right now. Something about the bluetooth on the 18's has changed, and it no longer allows pairing to devices like KTuner (though clearly still works with phones).
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