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Oh, that's interesting. I'm talking to an AutoNation dealer and they were initially asking $15k. I would have immediately purchased if they were only asking $5k.
Just another reference point, but I also contacted a somewhat-local AutoNation dealer in TN after seeing someone else mention they capped the ADM at 5k. They were quoting me a 15k ADM and would not negotiate down.

Edit - Just to add, I've also reached out to probably ~20 dealers I have seen mentioned online where people have claimed to get their FL5 from MSRP to 5k ADM. Every single dealer has hit me back with a 15k+ ADM. I think a lot of dealers who sold low initially are now seeing what other dealers are getting and have stopped selling at the lower ADMs.
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What wave of cars are we on now?
 

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Wave 3 is inbound now I think
Some dealers sitting on their wave 1 & 2 cars.
Yeah there are two nearby dealers that are still holding at $8k markup and the cars have been sitting for 3-4 months.
 


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Just another reference point, but I also contacted a somewhat-local AutoNation dealer in TN after seeing someone else mention they capped the ADM at 5k. They were quoting me a 15k ADM and would not negotiate down.

Edit - Just to add, I've also reached out to probably ~20 dealers I have seen mentioned online where people have claimed to get their FL5 from MSRP to 5k ADM. Every single dealer has hit me back with a 15k+ ADM. I think a lot of dealers who sold low initially are now seeing what other dealers are getting and have stopped selling at the lower ADMs.
TRUTH! My dealer said that they were probably not going to sell as low for the next one. This is not going to ease up until Fall when the 2024s become a reality... assuming it eases up at all.

What i want to know is... where are all these manual xmission people coming from?? The dealers have systematically wiped out manual for over a decade "because there aren't enough customers to justify it." Well, either every stick driver in the country is trying to get this car... or, we gotta run out of drivers at some point. ? The manufacturers are pushing out a ton of great cars in this 'last hurrah' of this era -- not everyone wants the CTR. ...or do they?
 
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Yeah, I think the CTR strikes the perfect balance of performance and practicality and esthetics AND some might be grabbing them for collectibility on top of all that…being probably the last ICE-only CTR. It’s really a great car for older and younger enthusiasts alike, whereas I’d say the FK8 was designed for people 30 yrs old and younger. The FL5 will be a classic (as will the FK8). Also, what’s kind of funny to me, is that younger people are getting more interested in manual trans. It’s similar to the resurgence in vinyl records. We have so much digital crap and touch screens everywhere, it has driven some to seek out analogue things. Mechanical stuff is fascinating to them.

But anyway, that’s my take. The FL5 is simply attracting a larger audience.
 
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Yeah, I think the CTR strikes the perfect balance of performance and practicality and esthetics AND some might be grabbing them for collectibility on top of all that…being probably the last ICE-only CTR. It’s really a great car for older and younger enthusiasts alike, whereas I’d say the FK8 was designed for people 30 yrs old and younger. The FL5 will be a classic (as will the FK8). Also, what’s kind of funny to me, is that younger people are getting more interested in manual trans. It’s similar to the resurgence in vinyl records. We have so much digital crap and touch screens everywhere, it has driven some to seek out analogue things. Mechanical stuff is fascinating to them.
Great analogy to the vinyl records! Yes, even before i got my CTR, when some zoomers i worked with saw me driving my manual CRV, they were excited and wanted me to teach them how to drive stick. I found that interesting.
 

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Yeah there are two nearby dealers that are still holding at $8k markup and the cars have been sitting for 3-4 months.
where is this?
 


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@TypeRD and @1971Camaro totally agree with your observation; Maine being a mostly retirement state I don't get a lot of stares and thumbs up from the experienced folk, but whenever someone my age sees the car they go crazy over it. Well we still owe guys from your generation to instil that sense of admiration for such cars; there's just a sense of occasion attached to such cars which we have been taught to appreciate by our elders. I say this because I have friends buying Teslas and swearing by them as well, but a simple check at the people who influenced them gives the whole story away. If elders in your circle aren't into cars that much or view them as simple means of transportation, chances are you'll end up with a Tesla haha. Good for people like us, helps reduce the waitlist ?.
 

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TRUTH! My dealer said that they were probably not going to sell as low for the next one. This is not going to ease up until Fall when the 2024s become a reality... assuming it eases up at all.

What i want to know is... where are all these manual xmission people coming from?? The dealers have systematically wiped out manual for over a decade "because there aren't enough customers to justify it." Well, either every stick driver in the country is trying to get this car... or, we gotta run out of drivers at some point. ? The manufacturers are pushing out a ton of great cars in this 'last hurrah' of this era -- not everyone wants the CTR. ...or do they?
Yeah, I think the CTR strikes the perfect balance of performance and practicality and esthetics AND some might be grabbing them for collectibility on top of all that…being probably the last ICE-only CTR. It’s really a great car for older and younger enthusiasts alike, whereas I’d say the FK8 was designed for people 30 yrs old and younger. The FL5 will be a classic (as will the FK8). Also, what’s kind of funny to me, is that younger people are getting more interested in manual trans. It’s similar to the resurgence in vinyl records. We have so much digital crap and touch screens everywhere, it has driven some to seek out analogue things. Mechanical stuff is fascinating to them.

But anyway, that’s my take. The FL5 is simply attracting a larger audience.
At/near MSRP, I get it. I cannot think of another car that offers this level of performance and engagement for <50k. There's also a huge nostalgia kick if you've followed Honda/Type R's in the past, which adds a premium for me.

What perplexes me is how many people are willing and able to pay 60-70k+ for this car. It's astounding. I called so many dealers that swore their car sold for 15-20k over MSRP and that was required for all future allocations. Beurkle Honda told me they were at 15k ADM and "every accessory" (literally laughed when I asked which ones and said all of them). Their (paid, nonrefundable) waitlist extends out to 2028.

Maybe they're all bullshitting me, maybe not. But the cars are sold, so I'm inclined to believe they did sell for a lot of money. And at 60-70k+ for this car, it just doesn't make sense to me. But I suppose it does for others.

Several of my car enthusiast coworkers were ribbing me for wanting to buy a Honda (our parking lot is almost exclusively Teslas and 911s). Their jaws hit the floor when I told them this car was going for as high as 80 grand.
 

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At/near MSRP, I get it. I cannot think of another car that offers this level of performance and engagement for <50k. There's also a huge nostalgia kick if you've followed Honda/Type R's in the past, which adds a premium for me.

What perplexes me is how many people are willing and able to pay 60-70k+ for this car. It's astounding. I called so many dealers that swore their car sold for 15-20k over MSRP and that was required for all future allocations. Beurkle Honda told me they were at 15k ADM and "every accessory" (literally laughed when I asked which ones and said all of them). Their (paid, nonrefundable) waitlist extends out to 2028.

Maybe they're all bullshitting me, maybe not. But the cars are sold, so I'm inclined to believe they did sell for a lot of money. And at 60-70k+ for this car, it just doesn't make sense to me. But I suppose it does for others.

Several of my car enthusiast coworkers were ribbing me for wanting to buy a Honda (our parking lot is almost exclusively Teslas and 911s). Their jaws hit the floor when I told them this car was going for as high as 80 grand.
I look at a 5k ADM and say that it's justifiable, anything over 5k is a matter of convenience and preference. Color, dealer location, early access to the car versus waiting....all factors

What I find silly is when people are like "for X money you could get Y car". Well if people wanted Y car then they'd be in the market for it, but oftentimes they are judging that based solely on what the MSRP is for that Y car, assuming it doesn't have a markup either. People are also forgetting how much more their trade ins are worth than what they paid......Can't have it both ways......
 

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Thanks for checking! How about WA and CA?

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