What did you pay for your FL5?

[Doublestack00]

Of course, but kuhal did say if you were paying 20k ADM then it would be comparable to that of a blackwing.

The one you listed is a 2022 and I'm assuming used? Didn't see the miles on there at all

Technically used, has 275 miles. Prob a demo unit.

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[Doublestack00]

I don’t know about you but I hate Cadillac and wouldn’t want a blackwing even if it was the same cost as the Type R. I also wouldn’t pay 70k for a Type R. To each their own, at the end of the day it’s their money to spend however they want.

Agreed, I'm just getting at 70k opens a lot of doors. M2/M3, Supra etc.

 

[SP R KiD]

Agreed, I'm just getting at 70k opens a lot of doors. M2/M3, Supra etc.

I'm sorry, could you list the cars that 70k opens up one more time? Idk if 50+ mentions of that is enough for everyone to understand ?

 

[evanescent03]

I can afford it, that's not the issue. The issue is you are pricing a cars against a Blackwing, Supra, M2/M3 etc and the R is out classed.

50K out the door should be max.

yes, the idea isn't to dump down as much money as humanly possible for a car, it's about value to the individual ... most people COULD afford $20 for a latte, but many will say "umm, not worth it" .. if it's a really good latte and there are no other options, sure, maybe a lot of us will go for it. However, i think there are numerous scenarios where most of us would take a pass on that $20 latte. MSRP is a $20 latte. None of us need it, but the cheaper stuff just won't do it. The $10-20K markup on a CTR is like a $1000 latte and only makes sense to me if that's the last latte i'll ever have. As you point out, there are other fish in the sea, but unfortunately a lot of them are also getting marked up. I think there's a few people out there who are willing to pay the BIG markups but as these things are churned out i think those folks will dry up fast and the ADMs will trickle down fairly fast. Time will tell, though, maybe i'm wrong.

all this espresso talk makes me thirsty .. time to fire up the breville (one of the most robust devices i've ever owned, btw)

 

[mbaapk]

yes, the idea isn't to dump down as much money as humanly possible for a car, it's about value to the individual ... most people COULD afford $20 for a latte, but many will say "umm, not worth it" .. if it's a really good latte and there are no other options, sure, maybe a lot of us will go for it. However, i think there are numerous scenarios where most of us would take a pass on that $20 latte. MSRP is a $20 latte. None of us need it, but the cheaper stuff just won't do it. The $10-20K markup on a CTR is like a $1000 latte and only makes sense to me if that's the last latte i'll ever have. As you point out, there are other fish in the sea, but unfortunately a lot of them are also getting marked up. I think there's a few people out there who are willing to pay the BIG markups but as these things are churned out i think those folks will dry up fast and the ADMs will trickle down fairly fast. Time will tell, though, maybe i'm wrong.

all this espresso talk makes me thirsty .. time to fire up the breville (one of the most robust devices i've ever owned, btw)

On the flip side - Its not your normal latte. Maybe gold encrusted and infused with turbonium.

 

[Viktor]

Is it true that these type R's are very limited production?

I called a local dealer and again was told it will take a few years to get one if I get on the list. Because dealers are only getting a couple per year? So technically speaking shouldn't these FL5 hold value the next few years without depreciating?

I'm still trying to decide if I take the one coming in where I am first in line. I would hate to pass and then not see any available for a couple years unless I want to pay huge markup.

 

[evanescent03]

a local ohio dealership has a boost blue coming in this week .. $10k ADM .. i told them i'd love to see it but not interested in paying the markup. I plan on offering MSRP when i see it and see what they say. If it's an immediate "no" then i'll bring out a crisp $100 bill and slide it across the table ... "let's just do MSRP .. wink wink"

i'm sure they'll say no but never hurts to ask.

 

[Neciovato]

Is it true that these type R's are very limited production?

I called a local dealer and again was told it will take a few years to get one if I get on the list. Because dealers are only getting a couple per year? So technically speaking shouldn't these FL5 hold value the next few years without depreciating?

I'm still trying to decide if I take the one coming in where I am first in line. I would hate to pass and then not see any available for a couple years unless I want to pay huge markup.

I 'believe' they are going to be fewer made than what the FK8 was produced but I'm sure someone who is more knowledgable will chime in. As for as holding their value - history would say yes but history is also marred with being in the middle of a pandemic thus causing the new car market to be filled with ADMs and forced packages galore on cars and the used car market being affected bc of the supply/demand. I will say this - a lot of people who originally bought their FK8 - a lot of them were paying over MSRP (not a lot compared to today's standards) but MSRP inevitably went up the following years thus making those that paid MSRP kinda justified for doing so.

The only thing is - if you are going to finance the car - interest rates look like they will continue to go up - thus making any 'savings' on the cost of the car not as much as you would expect. Trade-in values are also going to continue to go down so again - if this is the ONLY car you are considering - you might have to figure - 'how much ADM am I willing to pay?' and go from there.

Again - I'm NOT in the market for a NEW car - but if I was and this was the car I was dead set on getting - paying an additional $5k over wouldn't be obscene - especially if I was looking to keep the car for a very long time. MSRP would be idea but in the current market - and the current market of FL5s - it just feels like MSRP is not a reality unless you have a hookup somewhere.

 

[evanescent03]

On the flip side - Its not your normal latte. Maybe gold encrusted and infused with turbonium.

it's definitely NOT a gas station drip coffee ... i admit i did pay some ADM on my GT4 this year, BUT the percentage over was justifiable consideirng it's possibly the last generation naturally aspirated 6 speed GT4; caused me significant emotional pain though. GT4 allocations are still really hard to come by even though the cars have been out for a while so i thought i might lose my opportunity to order a new unit. i'm hoping the CTR production meets demand enough to keep the ADMs down because i remember lusting after a $40k car ('09 STi) and barely being able to afford it... if i had gone in and they told me to cough up another 50% it would be a no-go. Many folks are expecting to finance these cars but to dig $10-20k out of savings just to bring the price down enough to get financing is a shame for the budding enthusiast community. the market is what it is.

also, this effects me because getting this car is contingent on me getting it at MSRP to keep my wife happy. happy wife, happy life. she's let me go through quite a few cars over the years and if I'm getting another toy car, it's gotta be MSRP lol. rules are rules.

i think the *problem* with the CTR is that as an overall package, it offers enough to demand the higher price. I had a '22 Si and the interior is really well laid out with good infotainment/sound for the price (heads and shoulders above the GR86 i had) ... it offers a lot of utility and a ton of performance. as a family man, this car really is a FWD alternative to the M3, Blackwing, RS5. Getting those cars new at MSRP is hard enough and many are knocking on $100k. For under $100k, there's not a lot that realy competes with the CTR if you want: manual, performance, utility. you can do better if you only want performance (SS1LE), or utility (take your pick). I do think if the CTR were to really stay priced at $70k (don't expect it to) .. i think some people would rather get two cars with that same money... say an HRV and SS1LE.. . Have a total animal performance vehicle with a stick and track worthy and something really practical.

If the ADMs stay sky-high then i'll probably pursue another Si as my fun DD because it offers most of what i need out of the car (fun, manual, interior features, practicality - although i'd miss the hatch) for a lot less scratch.


i'm a rambler ... when you can brew inexpensive espresso at home, you drink a lot more of it ....

 

[SP R KiD]

a local ohio dealership has a boost blue coming in this week .. $10k ADM .. i told them i'd love to see it but not interested in paying the markup. I plan on offering MSRP when i see it and see what they say. If it's an immediate "no" then i'll bring out a crisp $100 bill and slide it across the table ... "let's just do MSRP .. wink wink"

i'm sure they'll say no but never hurts to ask.

Just out of curiosity, if you don't mind saying, which dealership in Ohio? I'm surprised any in Ohio would be getting theirs this week, but hopefully they do!

 

[Viktor]

I 'believe' they are going to be fewer made than what the FK8 was produced but I'm sure someone who is more knowledgable will chime in. As for as holding their value - history would say yes but history is also marred with being in the middle of a pandemic thus causing the new car market to be filled with ADMs and forced packages galore on cars and the used car market being affected bc of the supply/demand. I will say this - a lot of people who originally bought their FK8 - a lot of them were paying over MSRP (not a lot compared to today's standards) but MSRP inevitably went up the following years thus making those that paid MSRP kinda justified for doing so.

The only thing is - if you are going to finance the car - interest rates look like they will continue to go up - thus making any 'savings' on the cost of the car not as much as you would expect. Trade-in values are also going to continue to go down so again - if this is the ONLY car you are considering - you might have to figure - 'how much ADM am I willing to pay?' and go from there.

Again - I'm NOT in the market for a NEW car - but if I was and this was the car I was dead set on getting - paying an additional $5k over wouldn't be obscene - especially if I was looking to keep the car for a very long time. MSRP would be idea but in the current market - and the current market of FL5s - it just feels like MSRP is not a reality unless you have a hookup somewhere.

Thank you for the reply!
I dealer here in Athens-GA is doing msrp but have a list. I have a quote of 8K over which I will try to at least have them throw in the forged wheels or spoiler.

 

[evanescent03]

Just out of curiosity, if you don't mind saying, which dealership in Ohio? I'm surprised any in Ohio would be getting theirs this week, but hopefully they do!

I’ll be happy to say once they turn down my offer

 

[TDC50]

it's definitely NOT a gas station drip coffee ... i admit i did pay some ADM on my GT4 this year, BUT the percentage over was justifiable consideirng it's possibly the last generation naturally aspirated 6 speed GT4; caused me significant emotional pain though. GT4 allocations are still really hard to come by even though the cars have been out for a while so i thought i might lose my opportunity to order a new unit. i'm hoping the CTR production meets demand enough to keep the ADMs down because i remember lusting after a $40k car ('09 STi) and barely being able to afford it... if i had gone in and they told me to cough up another 50% it would be a no-go. Many folks are expecting to finance these cars but to dig $10-20k out of savings just to bring the price down enough to get financing is a shame for the budding enthusiast community. the market is what it is.

also, this effects me because getting this car is contingent on me getting it at MSRP to keep my wife happy. happy wife, happy life. she's let me go through quite a few cars over the years and if I'm getting another toy car, it's gotta be MSRP lol. rules are rules.

i think the *problem* with the CTR is that as an overall package, it offers enough to demand the higher price. I had a '22 Si and the interior is really well laid out with good infotainment/sound for the price (heads and shoulders above the GR86 i had) ... it offers a lot of utility and a ton of performance. as a family man, this car really is a FWD alternative to the M3, Blackwing, RS5. Getting those cars new at MSRP is hard enough and many are knocking on $100k. For under $100k, there's not a lot that realy competes with the CTR if you want: manual, performance, utility. you can do better if you only want performance (SS1LE), or utility (take your pick). I do think if the CTR were to really stay priced at $70k (don't expect it to) .. i think some people would rather get two cars with that same money... say an HRV and SS1LE.. . Have a total animal performance vehicle with a stick and track worthy and something really practical.

If the ADMs stay sky-high then i'll probably pursue another Si as my fun DD because it offers most of what i need out of the car (fun, manual, interior features, practicality - although i'd miss the hatch) for a lot less scratch.


i'm a rambler ... when you can brew inexpensive espresso at home, you drink a lot more of it ....

This ^^^? Same scenario for me. There aren’t any good NEW 4-door manual cars in the $40-$50k range that are light and with playful handling/suspension since all of the Germans left manuals behind in this price range. 2-door, yes there are options and GR86/BRZ is best dollar value for a fun to drive car. I too seriously considered a CT4 V Blackwing but it isn’t compelling enough to spend $70k w/ TTL let alone the expected depreciation that will be realized in 4 years. Used M2 is in the price range of the new Civic Type R but it’s two door, less practical and more expensive to fix as well as BMW being unreliable. MSRP is a great price for the Type R and now that it looks more clean even low $50k is okay considering the options.

 

[SP R KiD]

I’ll be happy to say once they turn down my offer

I get it! I'm already locked in for one, just surprised an Ohio dealer mentioned getting one this week...gives me hope! Lol

 

[Blindeye_03]

I get it! I'm already locked in for one, just surprised an Ohio dealer mentioned getting one this week...gives me hope! Lol

Therr are 5 dealers around Cincinnati that have them in transit. All of them have $10k mark-ups except for Florence. They want $20k. Lol...

Id be okay paying $3k to $5k ADM but only if they included accessories or tint/ppf.

The dealer in Florence told me their civic sports are selling at 45k.

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