PRL Motorsports Downpipe / Front Pipe Pre-Order 1.5T Civic X

[PRL Motorsports]

We will never reach to 9 or more users on the pre order if everyone is just going ask if we are at 20... you have to do the pre order to get the numbers up. The number of people of pre order isn't going to go if everyone is trying to wait for the 20%

Discount or no discount I will be getting it. The dyno number looks good so far. It will be worth every penny for it

Is the release date aiming to be early April?

Exactly. We've had about 20 people ask via PM, social media, email, etc about the 20% pre-orders. There's clearly interest, but the hesitation to move forward is only harming the pre-order customers. Even the initial 10% off pricing we're at now is lower than we will ever retail this product for in the performance market's race to zero. With potential interest in the comments on these threads alone we'd be at 15% - 20%.

Thank you for the support! Early April is the plan, we will have a better ETA here shortly.

a 2nd list isnt going to do anything until the person commits and does a pre order. people will back out of it even if they said they would get it

just need 6 more pre orders for 15% off and thats a good bit already. is $30-35 going to stop you from buying it if we cant get 20% off?

Correct, we discussed doing a second "potential list" for people interested in the 20% tier, but didn't think it would be fair to do this to the people who were willing to put forth their deposit and join the list earlier. You guys can do what you want, but again as you stated, people back out and flake all the time, it's the name of the game. Is $30-$35 really going to hold people back from buying a high quality downpipe and front pipe with proven performance gains?

@maddmatt02 I agree with @dc2turbo

You can either join in this group buy and at least get 10% off or you can wait until the group buy is over and pay full price. It's really up to you but it's best to jump on board and help the rest of us.

No offense to prl but at full price I'd wait for a cheaper option. Even @ 500 for the catless combo I feel it's a bit steep but am willing to do it to just get one since nobody else has them out yet.

No offense taken, we will NEVER retail at $500 for this combo. It still blows our minds that people have been spending $400+ in the 9th Gen market for the past 5 years for a catless downpipe without questioning, yet people expect a combo downpipe / front pipe assembly with more material, bends, flanges to be comparable in price.

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[maddmatt02]

No offense taken, we will NEVER retail at $500 for this combo. It still blows our minds that people have been spending $400+ in the 9th Gen market for the past 5 years for a catless downpipe without questioning, yet people expect a combo downpipe / front pipe assembly with more material, bends, flanges to be comparable in price.

My issue is I'm coming from a market where a pair of catless downpipes w/ v band setup on one end, 2 bolt flange on other were 399 shipped and are now 349 shipped and on eBay the copies are I think 270. But that engine arrived in 2006 I think so there's been time for the market to grow I guess, demand to rise, and more people to start making them. And I know 500 isn't retail, just speaking about the 20% off. And about the 30-35 stopping somebody, I look at it like this. Sure 15-20% off is only 31.25, but the difference from 0-20% is 125 which is what I want to save. Kinda like buying a tv, the 50 was ONLY 40 bucks more than the 47, 55 ONLY 90 more than that. But 50" 4k ONLY 60 more than that, etc... I was finally able to stop myself at a 60" 4k w/ hdr which wasn't that much more than the step just below it but I sure spent a hell of a lot more than the first price I had in mind. And the 70 was ONLY... Lol. All that said as soon as my payment posts to my credit card (I buy everything on it because I get miles and I'm a cheap sob) I'll place my deposit

 

[hawk02]

Ok.....when is the cut off for the 50% deposit? Got paid today but was missing 24hrs overtime which would have been just about all of this but now have to wait 2 more weeks for it.......

 

[PRL Motorsports]

Ok.....when is the cut off for the 50% deposit? Got paid today but was missing 24hrs overtime which would have been just about all of this but now have to wait 2 more weeks for it.......

We will be doing pre-orders until the first batch of production kits hit the shelves to ship, so probably the beginning of April.

 

[hawk02]

Awesome, I'll be in before then. Then maybe take the 8 hour ride to your shop......we'll see

 

[CEXT]

Is this done on a Dynojet?
It would have been interesting to see the Hondata without the downpipe. I would assume that the Hondata alone would have accounted for most of the gain given the blue line to green line is similar to Hondata's results.

So, we finally got around to testing the catted version on our CVT shop car. The results were rather impressive!

Listed below is a dyno graph depicting a bone stock 1.5T CVT dyno without a flash (blue line), the same car with our catted downpipe and front pipe (red line), and the same car with our catted downpipe, front pipe and Hondata's +6 PSI reflash (green line). Peak torque came in about 400 RPM sooner than with the factory cat and the car picked up massive amounts of bottom end power, over 40 whp and 50 ft/lbs of tq to be exact, at about 4300 RPM. Peak gains were 10 whp and 14 ft/lbs tq while these gains held true throughout the entire power-band, with over 20 ft/lbs tq gains up top.

We initially expected similar gains from the catless version, but these catted results blew us out of the water. We can't wait to see what sort of gains we will see from the catless version once Vit tests both versions on his 6MT car.

Catted Downpipe + Front Pipe Gains WITHOUT Tuning:

• 400 RPM increase in peak torque
• 40+ hp and 50+ ft/lbs tq down low
• 10 hp and 14 ft/lbs tq at peak
• 10 hp and 14-20+ ft/lbs tq throughout mid-range/top

 

[dc2turbo]

Is this done on a Dynojet?
It would have been interesting to see the Hondata without the downpipe. I would assume that the Hondata alone would have accounted for most of the gain given the blue line to green line is similar to Hondata's results.

according to other dyno charts people were making 190/190

 

[CEXT]

according to other dyno charts people were making 190/190

I'm more talking about the relative increase because 183hp stock is also 15hp higher than some dyno charts.
I'm guessing the downpipe adds about 5-10 hp to flashpro without tuning

 

[dc2turbo]

I'm more talking about the relative increase because 183hp stock is also 15hp higher than some dyno charts.
I'm guessing the downpipe adds about 5-10 hp to flashpro without tuning

you have to look at the overall power gains not just peak.

no dyno will ever read the same. so that's why you get baseline pulls to see where you at then you be able to compare the overall gains. It would of been great to see a flashpro without the dp numbers

 

[MoarButtery]

The wait is finally over, we are now introducing the first full 3" (76mm) downpipe / front pipe assembly on the market, available for a limited time pre-order discounted price! Pre-order customers will receive first dibs on our combo. Projected ETA is by April 2017.

Testing is showing that a downpipe upgrade is one of the most effective modifications to perform when looking increase power out of Honda's 1.5L turbo engine. We decided to take these findings one step further by upgrading the restrictive factory A-pipe that bottlenecks exhaust flow with a typical downpipe upgrade.


Our downpipe / front pipe assembly is constructed of mandrel bent 16 gauge 304 stainless tubing and 304 stainless 3D CNC'd flanges with smooth transitions for optimal flow and fitment. All pieces are fully back-purged for weld integrity and optimal strength while the front pipe features a high quality, reinforced stainless flex section. Customers can run an aftermarket exhaust or mate our combo to the factory exhaust with the optional stock exhaust adapter. Choose between catless or 300 CEL cat.

All kits will include gaskets, stainless hardware and components needed for a seamless installation.

We tested the catted version on our CVT shop car and the results were rather impressive!

Listed below is a dyno graph depicting a bone stock 1.5T CVT dyno without a flash (blue line), the same car with our catted downpipe and front pipe (red line), and the same car with our catted downpipe, front pipe and Hondata's +6 PSI reflash (green line). Peak torque came in about 400 RPM sooner than with the factory cat and the car picked up massive amounts of bottom end power, over 40 whp and 50 ft/lbs of tq to be exact, at about 4300 RPM. Peak gains were 10 whp and 14 ft/lbs tq while these gains held true throughout the entire power-band, with over 20 ft/lbs tq gains up top.

We initially expected similar gains from the catless version, but these catted results blew us out of the water. We can't wait to see what sort of gains we will see from the catless version once Vit tests both versions on his 6MT car.

Catted Downpipe + Front Pipe Gains WITHOUT Tuning:

• 400 RPM increase in peak torque
• 40+ hp and 50+ ft/lbs tq down low
• 10 hp and 14 ft/lbs tq at peak
• 10 hp and 14-20+ ft/lbs tq throughout mid-range/top

Retail will be $624.99 for the combo, catted version will be an additional $125. A 50% (off retail) deposit of $312.49 or $374.99 (depending on which version you'd like) can be PayPal'd to [email protected] or called in with a CC at 724-325-6300. The remaining amount will be charged with shipping and the appropriate discount tier before shipping. Please PM us, give us a call or drop us an email with your full name, address, phone number and email for contact so we can put the information on file. We will give 10% off if there are 9 pre-orders, 15% off if there are 10-19 pre-orders, and 20% off if there are over 20. All pre-orders will also receive free stock exhaust adapters. Let the list begin!

A few questions if you don't mind:

Are these street legal?
Will you pass an emissions test?
Will it make the car louder or alter the sound ?

 

[PRL Motorsports]

As much as we would like to see this assembly purchased together for maximum performance and optimal price point, we have listed the down pipe and front pipe for sale separately after popular request. To follow typical PRL suit, the downpipe and front pipe are available for 10% off intro pricing, but will not be affected by the pre-order, meaning that the names of purchasers will not be added to the combo pre-order and pricing on individual downpipes/front pipes will not see over 10% discount. Pre-order customers are still eligible for 15%-20% discount.

Downpipe $414.99/$539.99 Retail: http://prlmotorsports.com/civicxdownpipe.aspx#.WKHtX1MrKUk

Front Pipe $224.99 Retail: http://prlmotorsports.com/civicxfrontpipe.aspx#.WKHtf1MrKUk

Combo $624.99/$749.99 Retail: http://prlmotorsports.com/civicxdownpipefrontpipe.aspx#.WKHuFFMrKUk

Is this done on a Dynojet?
It would have been interesting to see the Hondata without the downpipe. I would assume that the Hondata alone would have accounted for most of the gain given the blue line to green line is similar to Hondata's results.

DynoJet numbers. For the most part, gains are gains here, so subtract the downpipe / front pipe gains from the Hondata +6 pull to give you a pretty spot on "stock + Hondata +6" number.

I'm more talking about the relative increase because 183hp stock is also 15hp higher than some dyno charts.
I'm guessing the downpipe adds about 5-10 hp to flashpro without tuning

We would expect the same gains, if not more when comparing stock to downpipe / front pipe and downpipe / front pipe to Hondata +6 psi. Exhaust flow importance will become even more important at higher boost levels.

you have to look at the overall power gains not just peak.

no dyno will ever read the same. so that's why you get baseline pulls to see where you at then you be able to compare the overall gains. It would of been great to see a flashpro without the dp numbers

While it is true that most dynos will never read the same, DynoJet numbers are very repeatable and consistent due to the fact that there are no roller weights or loads to manipulate in comparison to a Mustang Dyno or Dynapak. As long as the correction factors (SAE, STD, etc) and smoothing factor (the higher the number, the smoother graph gets. Basically this gets rid of the peaks and valleys on a choppy graph, which usually means a lower peak number) are the same, DynoJet to DynoJet numbers should be identical in comparison.

A few questions if you don't mind:

Are these street legal?
Will you pass an emissions test?
Will it make the car louder or alter the sound ?

Due of the nature of the nature of this product of this product it has to be advertised as "Offroad Use Only," as you will see with almost all downpipe / exhaust modifications. The catalytic converters that we will be using are American made, 49 state legal, OBDII compliant converters. As long as no CELs are thrown (which we are working on), a downpipe / front pipe will pass emissions.

Larger diameter tubing, especially a catless "race" piece will increase sound levels. While testing our catted combo with the stock cat-back exhaust, the exhaust tone was still very quiet and muffled.

 

[PRL Motorsports]

Update: For anyone hoping that an angled defouler or o2 spacer will keep CELs clear, this doesn't look to be the case over the past week of street testing.

 

[hawk02]

Update: For anyone hoping that an angled defouler or o2 spacer will keep CELs clear, this doesn't look to be the case over the past week of street testing.

On the catless one correct? Catted is good?

 

[hawk02]

As much as we would like to see this assembly purchased together for maximum performance and optimal price point, we have listed the down pipe and front pipe for sale separately after popular request. To follow typical PRL suit, the downpipe and front pipe are available for 10% off intro pricing, but will not be affected by the pre-order, meaning that the names of purchasers will not be added to the combo pre-order and pricing on individual downpipes/front pipes will not see over 10% discount. Pre-order customers are still eligible for 15%-20% discount.

Downpipe $414.99/$539.99 Retail: http://prlmotorsports.com/civicxdownpipe.aspx#.WKHtX1MrKUk

Front Pipe $224.99 Retail: http://prlmotorsports.com/civicxfrontpipe.aspx#.WKHtf1MrKUk

Combo $624.99/$749.99 Retail: http://prlmotorsports.com/civicxdownpipefrontpipe.aspx#.WKHuFFMrKUk



DynoJet numbers. For the most part, gains are gains here, so subtract the downpipe / front pipe gains from the Hondata +6 pull to give you a pretty spot on "stock + Hondata +6" number.



We would expect the same gains, if not more when comparing stock to downpipe / front pipe and downpipe / front pipe to Hondata +6 psi. Exhaust flow importance will become even more important at higher boost levels.



While it is true that most dynos will never read the same, DynoJet numbers are very repeatable and consistent due to the fact that there are no roller weights or loads to manipulate in comparison to a Mustang Dyno or Dynapak. As long as the correction factors (SAE, STD, etc) and smoothing factor (the higher the number, the smoother graph gets. Basically this gets rid of the peaks and valleys on a choppy graph, which usually means a lower peak number) are the same, DynoJet to DynoJet numbers should be identical in comparison.



Due of the nature of the nature of this product of this product it has to be advertised as "Offroad Use Only," as you will see with almost all downpipe / exhaust modifications. The catalytic converters that we will be using are American made, 49 state legal, OBDII compliant converters. As long as no CELs are thrown (which we are working on), a downpipe / front pipe will pass emissions.

Larger diameter tubing, especially a catless "race" piece will increase sound levels. While testing our catted combo with the stock cat-back exhaust, the exhaust tone was still very quiet and muffled.

Ok, so no change in pre order status or pricing......so 10, 15 or 20% off the combination can still happen depending on the number of orders

 

[dc2turbo]

Ok, so no change in pre order status or pricing......so 10, 15 or 20% off the combination can still happen depending on the number of orders

10% off is given no matter how many people pre orders. if 10-19 pre order, you will get 15% off the COMBO package. 20 or more preorder will get 20% off

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