Something not being talked about much

[tacthecat]

The N-line is more like the Si and still only manages a 6.5 - 6.7 (C/D est).

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[jtrader]

JR... go back and look at the early dynos from Hondata and others. The 2016 dynos. There were no manuals. All those early dynos were CVT. The 11th numbers are much lower on Hondata's dyno. They use the same one at Church's for all the tests.

All the aftermarket guys like TSP, PRL, 27Won etc. have said these new cars have potential but out of the box are less potent. 7.9 vs. 6.6 to 60 (CVT) doesn't lie.

These are the 10th gen 1.5 Hondata published CVT dyno numbers:

Hondata's 2022 published dyno for comparison:

Untuned (yellow), the difference is substantial. Tuned (green), things are closer but the 10th still is more potent.

TSP just published their numbers. 154/163 for the 11th 1.5 motor. It's clearly much less potent stock than the 10th.

Is this saying that the 10th gen non-si 1.5T was really producing 190hp & 190tq to the wheels? ? How do the Si numbers compare to this?

 

[jakdotdot]

Is this saying that the 10th gen non-si 1.5T was really producing 190hp & 190tq to the wheels? ? How do the Si numbers compare to this?

On the dyno that Hondata uses, yes. Although they dyno at Churches which is fairly optimistic dyno (minus 10+ percent or so for a more typical dynojet number).

As for the SI, it was around 205hp and 210TQ on that particular dyno iirc.

 

[cryptolime]

the driver can make a big difference in 0-60 times. especially in a 6MT.

 

[pwp25si]

Why is the 11th gen si so slow? Takes 2 shifts to 60. Stock tires are doo doo. Boost doesnt build so quickly after shifting. Factory tune is just too safe. I haven't even bothered timing the car after reflash, until I throw on some better tires. My 10th gen didnt really see gains until I got new tires.

 

[apl360]

Why is the 11th gen si so slow? Takes 2 shifts to 60. Stock tires are doo doo. Boost doesnt build so quickly after shifting. Factory tune is just too safe. I haven't even bothered timing the car after reflash, until I throw on some better tires. My 10th gen didnt really see gains until I got new tires.

2 shifts to 60 is a blessing. Shorter gearing is where it’s at.

 

[pwp25si]

I dont mind it at all for daily driving. I always short shift first gear anyway

2 shifts to 60 is a blessing. Shorter gearing is where it’s at.

 

[apl360]

I dont mind it at all for daily driving. I always short shift first gear anyway

Due to the rev hang. I gotta take first to about 4-4.5k rpm if there’s a car behind me. Just to build a larger gap between us. Cuz the rev hang will slow down folks behind me

 

[pwp25si]

I noticed something funny about rev hang. I've noticed it before I tuned it, so its not the tune. If you lift off the foot quickly, but not dumping it, rev drops quickly compared to when you're slowly lifting the foot off the clutch. Its hard to explain it in words, but its like, im "bouncing" the clutch pedal off the floor and timing it just right to hit the biting point, as opposed to lifting it slowly trying to match the slow rev drop. Its weird, but once you get it, you get it. Now with the tune,its even quicker. I could just go 1, clutch in, shift to 2, clutch out, as soon as I go into 2nd.

Imo, sooner you go into 2nd, you can keep up with traffic better. Even if you rev out 1st gear, it takes forever to build boost in 2nd.

Due to the rev hang. I gotta take first to about 4-4.5k rpm if there’s a car behind me. Just to build a larger gap between us. Cuz the rev hang will slow down folks behind me

 

[apl360]

I noticed something funny about rev hang. I've noticed it before I tuned it, so its not the tune. If you lift off the foot quickly, but not dumping it, rev drops quickly compared to when you're slowly lifting the foot off the clutch. Its hard to explain it in words, but its like, im "bouncing" the clutch pedal off the floor and timing it just right to hit the biting point, as opposed to lifting it slowly trying to match the slow rev drop. Its weird, but once you get it, you get it. Now with the tune,its even quicker. I could just go 1, clutch in, shift to 2, clutch out, as soon as I go into 2nd.

Imo, sooner you go into 2nd, you can keep up with traffic better. Even if you rev out 1st gear, it takes forever to build boost in 2nd.

I can’t imagine it. Plz come to Colorado for a demonstration lol

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[pwp25si]

Experiment with it lol. Transmission isn't going to blow up.

I can’t imagine it. Plz come to Colorado for a demonstration lol

I will pay U in beer

 

[cryptolime]

I noticed something funny about rev hang. I've noticed it before I tuned it, so its not the tune. If you lift off the foot quickly, but not dumping it, rev drops quickly compared to when you're slowly lifting the foot off the clutch. Its hard to explain it in words, but its like, im "bouncing" the clutch pedal off the floor and timing it just right to hit the biting point, as opposed to lifting it slowly trying to match the slow rev drop. Its weird, but once you get it, you get it. Now with the tune,its even quicker. I could just go 1, clutch in, shift to 2, clutch out, as soon as I go into 2nd.

Imo, sooner you go into 2nd, you can keep up with traffic better. Even if you rev out 1st gear, it takes forever to build boost in 2nd.

i think you're just dropping the revs with the clutch. it's what i do. i'm not waiting for the revs to drop.

 

[pwp25si]

No. The revs drop at different speeds depending on how you manipulate the pedal. I realized this when I released the pedal too quickly by mistake, but the ajift was smooth as butter. Now I can replicate the shift every time.

i think you're just dropping the revs with the clutch. it's what i do. i'm not waiting for the revs to drop.

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