PSAS4 or DWS06+

[optronix]

We’re driving on the street....

You are not pushing your car on city streets to the point where the performance gains of the ps4s vs dws06+ becomes a factor.

For a track day 100% everyone should switch.

I'll admit that doing at least one autocross a month during the summer months factors into my decision-making.

But also I just recall vividly every time I get the summer tires back on in the spring what a huge difference it makes just in general feel that you notice immediately going street-friendly speeds, and how glad I am to be rid of the all seasons.

To each their own.

The thing about space, I get that. Having a stack of wheels and tires in the actual space you live in would be more annoying than driving on all seasons all year.

Carry on.

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[TchnoZ33]

Hahaha I love how this thread came to an end. Yeah…once I build the second garage will definitely get two sets. Plus I really want a set of 19 inch apex wheels. Just don’t wanna spend 4-4.5 k for the tire and wheel set right now; wife is due in two weeks lol.

 

[JCZ5]

I love the DWS06+.

I concur that for the street driving both performance summer and A/S will more than handle spirited driving.

In fact, I have A/S on my GT4 and performance summers on my GT3 with no issues for either.

Does one’s ego want to feel better by having two sets, of course, but that depends on storage and convenience.

 

[optronix]

I love the DWS06+.

I concur that for the street driving both performance summer and A/S will more than handle spirited driving.

In fact, I have A/S on my GT4 and performance summers on my GT3 with no issues for either.

Does one’s ego want to feel better by having two sets, of course, but that depends on storage and convenience.

God damn. All seasons on a GT4. I guess that's fine... if instead of a set of summer wheels you just opt for a summer GT3 instead. One's ego should feel pretty good about that amirite?

Lol. Literally all I have to say about that.

My contempt continues to grow for many people on this board who slum it up with their Porsche GT (and "GT+"- some guy was in here talking about his S/T just yesterday) cars. Where are the McLaren and Ferrari guys? Bugatti, anyone?

(before I have to answer any back-and-forth, I'm being facetious. It's not actually contempt for you hedge fund/wall street/pro athlete/porn star types. For the most part.)

 

[JCZ5]

God damn. All seasons on a GT4. I guess that's fine... if instead of a set of summer wheels you just opt for a summer GT3 instead. One's ego should feel pretty good about that amirite?

Lol. Literally all I have to say about that.

My contempt continues to grow for many people on this board who slum it up with their Porsche GT (and "GT+"- some guy was in here talking about his S/T just yesterday) cars. Where are the McLaren and Ferrari guys? Bugatti, anyone?

(before I have to answer any back-and-forth, I'm being facetious. It's not actually contempt for you hedge fund/wall street/pro athlete/porn star types. For the most part.)

Lol. I get it, things can get out of hand. But bringing this back, it should demonstrate how amazing the FL5 is when you have Porsche, Ferrari, etc owners clamoring or lucky enough to own one.

I don’t own a FL5 just yet, but have spent some seat time in one. It is just that good and the hatchback is super practical.

However back to the tires, it would really depend on individual use cases. For me, the FL5 will be a daily, thus I would just stick on A/S tires and not worry about it. However, I understand if this is also your track car, a separate set of winter/summer may fit the bill. Hard to paint broad brush without getting into the specifics…

 

[qingcong]

The car definitely feels a lot better on the PS4S than the DWS06. I was surprised what a difference it made when I switched over this spring. The summers will have better wet traction too. A tire rack "expert" told me summers will both perform better in the rain and have better hydroplaning resistance (as long as it's warm), so it's not just a thrill advantage, but a safety advantage.

It's a matter of values. Having another set of tires/wheels is a bit of a hassle, especially when you get into properly storing summer tires, space to store all this junk, time to mount it, just extra bandwith that you may not want to deal with. If you want to be anal about it you'd store your summer tires inside the house to not expose them to the winter cold. That's what I did and my wife was not pleased. So I totally get why someone would just slap on all seasons and be done with it. Everyone's got different life circumstances.

 

[BigBird]

I just installed the PZero AS Plus 3, seems very good in the wet

 

[Nothing]

Glad I live in a warm climate.. occasionally I need to drive carefully when it hits 30s in the morning in the winter, so PS4S is it.

I don't have space in the garage for an extra set of wheels, so it would probably have to be AS if it snowed here. It would make me sad, but so would living in a place that snowed when I'm trying to get to work.

 

[optronix]

Glad I live in a warm climate.. occasionally I need to drive carefully when it hits 30s in the morning in the winter, so PS4S is it.

I don't have space in the garage for an extra set of wheels, so it would probably have to be AS if it snowed here. It would make me sad, but so would living in a place that snowed when I'm trying to get to work.

Technically Michelin will tell you not to drive on the PS4S below 40 degrees, and not "flex" the tire below 20 degrees or they may crack. Found this on the internet, I believe it is reliable:

Michelin Ultra-High Performance (UHP) Sport Summer tires use tread compounds that are optimized for maximum dry and damp grip in temperate conditions. As the temperature of the compound nears freezing, the grip level of the tire begins to degrade. Michelin does not recommend using UHP Sport Summer tires when tire temperatures drop below 40°F (5°C) or on snow and ice.

At tire temperatures below 20°F (-7°C) Michelin UHP Sport Summer tires may develop surface cracks in the upper sidewall and tread area if flexed. Do not use, roll, or drop MICHELIN UHP Sport Summer tires with temperatures below 20°F (-7°C). If the tires have been cooled to 20°F (-7°C) or less, let them warm up in a heated space to at least 40°F (5°C) before being installed or moving a vehicle on which they are installed. Do not apply heat or blow heated air directly on the tires. Always inspect tires before use. Never use a tire with freeze cracks, breaks, or damage to the sidewall or tread.

 

[Nothing]

Technically Michelin will tell you not to drive on the PS4S below 40 degrees, and not "flex" the tire below 20 degrees or they may crack. Found this on the internet, I believe it is reliable:

Thanks that is a very important point. Agreed, I am aware and this is similar amongst most summer tires. I'm garaged, so the tires are never soaking in below 40, I'm almost never the first on the road, and asphalt is warmer than air temp from morning traffic. '30s' here looks like 38F at 6am - maybe. 50F by 7am.

Summer tires are formulated for warm, grip very quickly disappears below 40F (you can notice even below 60F). Drive much slower and brake sooner than you would an AS. If you leave your car outside, you'll generally have a much harder time, it can crack and chunk catastrophically even after it warms back up and warranty will be denied. Make a plan and drive safe!

 

[optronix]

Thanks that is a very important point. Agreed, I am aware and this is similar amongst most summer tires. I'm garaged, so the tires are never soaking in below 40, I'm almost never the first on the road, and asphalt is warmer than air temp from morning traffic. '30s' here looks like 38F at 6am - maybe. 50F by 7am.

Summer tires are formulated for warm, grip very quickly disappears below 40F (you can notice even below 60F). Drive much slower and brake sooner than you would an AS. If you leave your car outside, you'll generally have a much harder time, it can crack and chunk catastrophically even after it warms back up and warranty will be denied. Make a plan and drive safe!

Yeah I'm not sure where you're at in California, but I'm guessing you'd have to be pretty far south to completely avoid weather dipping into the 30s on a fairly routine basis during the winter months. I think some folks in the southeast are in similar positions- not cold enough to damage the tires, but cold enough to want to pay extra attention in the mornings for sure.

I will add that personal experience has gotten me to the point where I will do everything in my power to avoid driving a rear wheel drive car on summer tires if it's below 55 and raining.

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