Fl5 BBK options

[Tougefl5]

If you think you havent found the need yet for 200tw then you definitely dont need a BBK. 200tw tires will be the largest gain in performance (all around including braking) than any brake kit in the world if you pair it with a summer oriented street tire like PS4S. You've probably pushed the limits of the tire, not the brakes, but you may have perceived it as brake limitations. Like I said, braking is very tire limited.

This is also the reason track folks first mods/upgrades include track focused tires (200tw or super 200 like AD09, A052, RE-71RS, RT660, vitour p1, nankang CRSV2, Cup2R etc) , pads, lines and fluid, alignment and not straight to a BBK.

PS4S is a horrible tire (a little tongue in cheek but still) relative to a good 200tw tire. Its insane the delta in performance.

Spend your money on good 200tw tires, and your usual upgrades to the stock system, not a BBK. Speaking on personal experience tracking/HPDE and guiding customers through the years.

There's truth to this. However I don't trust a 200tw in the rain or damp conditions. Sometimes I just up and take a road trip could be 200 miles or 1k to hit some touge roads. This is why the PS4S is the best choice for me. On track In perfect condition I'd probably run a slick tire lol

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[ctechauto]

There's truth to this. However I don't trust a 200tw in the rain or damp conditions. Sometimes I just up and take a road trip could be 200 miles or 1k to hit some touge roads. This is why the PS4S is the best choice for me. On track In perfect condition I'd probably run a slick tire lol

It sounds like you havent experienced a good 200tw tire, especially the ones from the last few years.

Again, a good 200tw tire even in the rain or damp conditions is an insane delta in performance. Ok, maybe not when its a tsunami outside, but tires like a AD09 or RT660 with some siping will shed some water. Then again why are you driving at the limit in public roads in that kind of weather?

Adding a BBK with a street tire isnt going to help, it will actually be placebo and mask the real limitation, which is again your tires. I hope you take these suggestions and go 200tw or very least some better pads and fluid.

 

[Tougefl5]

It sounds like you havent experienced a good 200tw tire, especially the ones from the last few years.

Again, a good 200tw tire even in the rain or damp conditions is an insane delta in performance. Ok, maybe not when its a tsunami outside, but tires like a AD09 or RT660 with some siping will shed some water. Then again why are you driving at the limit in public roads in that kind of weather?

Adding a BBK with a street tire isnt going to help, it will actually be placebo and mask the real limitation, which is again your tires. I hope you take these suggestions and go 200tw or very least some better pads and fluid.

I can appreciate your opinion. In the mountains is a different beast all together. You might drive through a tsunami just to get there. You could very well run into snow at some elevation in the fall. I understand that you probably don't understand what the mountains are like.

 

[ctechauto]

I can appreciate your opinion. In the mountains is a different beast all together. You might drive through a tsunami just to get there. You could very well run into snow at some elevation in the fall. I understand that you probably don't understand what the mountains are like.

Sure I understand that, but again, why do you think a BBK will help given you havent done the other basic 101 things? Your limitations arent with the braking system. I guess I'm asking why you're so insistent on getting a BBK and not addressing the real root cause (or re-evaluated your perception of the limitations) and havent even done pads let alone the other 101 level things! It sounds like you've already made up your mind though...

 

[Tougefl5]

Sure I understand that, but again, why do you think a BBK will help given you havent done the other basic 101 things? Your limitations arent with the braking system. I guess I'm asking why you're so insistent on getting a BBK and not addressing the real root cause (or re-evaluated your perception of the limitations) and havent even done pads let alone the other 101 level things! It sounds like you've already made up your mind though...

In truth because I'm the one driving the car and getting the feedback from what is going on. This thread is not about your experiences. It's about the Paragon bbk vs Ap decision I have. Do you have experience with these kits?

 

[ctechauto]

In truth because I'm the one driving the car and getting the feedback from what is going on. This thread is not about your experiences. It's about the Paragon bbk vs Ap decision I have. Do you have experience with these kits?

You ask if I have experience with paragon and ap yet you also say its not about my experiences?

But yes to both and we sell them including Girodisc as well, but I am not going to comment on those BBK because I would be steering you in the wrong direction. I'm sure other vendors would be happy to chime in with you though (or may even agree with me) even though I dont think it may be the right decision in the end

Edit: I shouldnt have to call this out but it is not my intent to slight any other vendor, I meant it as everyone has their own experiences and recommendations. And I would feel it is misleading to OP if I commented on a BBK that I feel is going in the wrong direction, so I will bow out of the conversation since its been established I spoke my piece and OP disagrees with the recommendation I provided initially.

 

[Tougefl5]

You ask if I have experience with paragon and ap yet you also say its not about my experiences?

But yes to both and we sell them including Girodisc as well, but I am not going to comment on those BBK because I would be steering you in the wrong direction. I'm sure other vendors would be happy to chime in with you though even though I dont think it may be the right decision in the end

The way you assume things I find comical. No need to gaslight vendors it's not a good look. Because you ''sell'' or just list on your website doesn't really mean you have experience with a specific part.
I've gotten great advice since I made this thread. People who actually have the parts and who are accomplished at different levels. Literally have no clue who you are and don't see any built cars from your shop.
The vendors I work with I consider friends. I can 100% tell you they ain't getting rich off me. So I appreciate your advice however this will be my last response to you.

 

[ctechauto]

The way you assume things I find comical. No need to gaslight vendors it's not a good look. Because you ''sell'' or just list on your website doesn't really mean you have experience with a specific part.
I've gotten great advice since I made this thread. People who actually have the parts and who are accomplished at different levels. Literally have no clue who you are and don't see any built cars from your shop.
The vendors I work with I consider friends. I can 100% tell you they ain't getting rich off me. So I appreciate your advice however this will be my last response to you.

I didnt think I should have to spell it out for you but I will.

I 100% believe a BBK is steering you in the wrong direction.

Other vendors may or may not agree with me, and thats all okay and I didnt post that to be a slight at them, afterall we all have differing experiences and suggestions. But I'm not going to recommend a product or provide my experiences with them if I dont think thats the right direction you should be going especially after I've already spoken my piece about it. I find that would be misleading and THAT wouldnt be a good look. If others (including yourself) feel differently, thats okay too. so I will bow out of the conversation since its been established I spoke my piece and OP disagrees with the recommendation I provided initially.

 

[MooMoo]

I didnt think I should have to spell it out for you but I will.

I 100% believe a BBK is steering you in the wrong direction.

Other vendors may or may not agree with me, and thats all okay and I didnt post that to be a slight at them, afterall we all have differing experiences and suggestions. But I'm not going to recommend a product or provide my experiences with them if I dont think thats the right direction you should be going especially after I've already spoken my piece about it. I find that would be misleading and THAT wouldnt be a good look. If others (including yourself) feel differently, thats okay too. so I will bow out of the conversation since its been established I spoke my piece and OP disagrees with the recommendation I provided initially.

You offered really good advice and the fact that you sell stuff and not pushing a BBK says a lot.

I also don't think he needs a BBK but I guess no one really needs anything and we could all keep the car stock lol. 200TW tires would probably blow his mind but I do like the PS4S, its a good tire for what it is.

Seriously Tongue, trust me get some good pads and put some SRF on the car and you not gonna get fade on the mountains. We are talking $350 - $500 here which is no where near what a paragon BBK costs

 

[TW00Si]

The mountain calls!

 

[Tougefl5]

You offered really good advice and the fact that you sell stuff and not pushing a BBK says a lot.

I also don't think he needs a BBK but I guess no one really needs anything and we could all keep the car stock lol. 200TW tires would probably blow his mind but I do like the PS4S, its a good tire for what it is.

Seriously Tongue, trust me get some good pads and put some SRF on the car and you not gonna get fade on the mountains. We are talking $350 - $500 here which is no where near what a paragon BBK costs

For the price that I can get the Paragon kit for would blow your mind. I'm still waiting on some new Ap pricing being worked out. It's pretty funny how anyone could argue against upgrading the brakes on performance cars. However the only negative is from people who have basically stock cars. The feedback that I have gotten from people with bbk have all been rather positive. Go figure lol
Just wait till you see the new suspension setup........

 

[MooMoo]

For the price that I can get the Paragon kit for would blow your mind. I'm still waiting on some new Ap pricing being worked out. It's pretty funny how anyone could argue against upgrading the brakes on performance cars. However the only negative is from people who have basically stock cars. The feedback that I have gotten from people with bbk have all been rather positive. Go figure lol

You are not getting the Paragon for even 3x the price of pads and fluid.

You are right thought, we are idiots to be here trying to convince you that you are wasting your money on a BBK. But this is good info for people that come here thinking they need a BBK when they really don't. Look don't get me wrong a BBk is superior to the 4 pot brembos, the brembos is an old ass design, been around since the EVO if not longer, its tried and true though and for what it is its actually pretty good, it matches the car well. So many fast people I know that are putting track time on the brembos and have had no issues at all. Of course all of them on track pads and a good fluid, thats they key. If you were out there on stock pads and stock fluid its probably why your brakes went soft.

But again, buy whatever you want its your money and trust me I have bought crap for my cars that I don't need. But the difference was that I knew I did not need it
I want to get some AP calipers in the next few years myself

 

[Tougefl5]

You are not getting the Paragon for even 3x the price of pads and fluid.

You are right thought, we are idiots to be here trying to convince you that you are wasting your money on a BBK. But this is good info for people that come here thinking they need a BBK when they really don't. Look don't get me wrong a BBk is superior to the 4 pot brembos, the brembos is an old ass design, been around since the EVO if not longer, its tried and true though and for what it is its actually pretty good, it matches the car well. So many fast people I know that are putting track time on the brembos and have had no issues at all. Of course all of them on track pads and a good fluid, thats they key. If you were out there on stock pads and stock fluid its probably why your brakes went soft.

But again, buy whatever you want its your money and trust me I have bought crap for my cars that I don't need. But the difference was that I knew I did not need it
I want to get some AP calipers in the next few years myself

Did you not read post #1 idiot is very harsh criticism. I know these brembos very well from owing evo8 and evo9 now they're on my fl5. It's ironic that you are saying that
Bbk are superior then the oem system and that you want to get some in a few years. But as for me wanting them it's not necessary. You must not have seen my mountain monster build thread. I don't need any of the parts I upgraded. At some point I'm going to gut and cage the car.
Now let's not pocket watch even though I appreciate your looking after my financial well-being. Let's please stay on topic of paragon vs Ap BBK please.

 

[MooMoo]

rock on, enjoy the BBK and the caged car

 

[svvitch]

Did you not read post #1 idiot is very harsh criticism. I know these brembos very well from owing evo8 and evo9 now they're on my fl5. It's ironic that you are saying that
Bbk are superior then the oem system and that you want to get some in a few years. But as for me wanting them it's not necessary. You must not have seen my mountain monster build thread. I don't need any of the parts I upgraded. At some point I'm going to gut and cage the car.
Now let's not pocket watch even though I appreciate your looking after my financial well-being. Let's please stay on topic of paragon vs Ap BBK please.

The only reason you don't need any of the parts on your build thread is because youre continuing to be let down by sub par tires. So much money and time and research when literally the very reason 200tw tires exist is your use case.

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At this point get the ap youve spent the money on so much other stuff is there even a discussion? Ap or nothing man. Just get the ap. Ap. Ap. Ap. Why is this even a discussion lol.

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