Black Wing

[blinkme323]

5BW? Yes in a heartbeat, but we're talking about a car that is twice the price of the FL5 (or more).

4BW? Personally not a fan, test drove several before getting my Giulia Quad and was not impressed.

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[svvitch]

Don't listen to the haters, I actually compared the CT5V BW before I bought the FL5. In fact, I also compared it against the M2, M3 and Land Cruiser...who says you have to compare the within a set car class...

Anyways, I would 100% trade the FL5 to a CT5V Blackwing if that fits your needs and lifestyle. A few reasons:

• Basically a N/A V8 (I know it is supercharged, but I consider them basically the same)
• You still get to have an amazing shifter that is very comparable to the FL5
• More of a comfortable GT cruiser, which is lovely for long drives

And although the first gen interior is inferior to the Germans, it is still better than the FL5 lol. I do like the second gen interior more.

This isn't comparing. This is deciding what you want. I did the same comparisons with E92, S2000, E63 AMG Wagon. Came down to what was I ready for next. I didn't compare an E63 wagon to the FL5. I decided which was right for me.

 

[JCZ5]

This isn't comparing. This is deciding what you want. I did the same comparisons with E92, S2000, E63 AMG Wagon. Came down to what was I ready for next. I didn't compare an E63 wagon to the FL5. I decided which was right for me.

No argument here…everything is about getting to the choice for someone’s specific use case.

…but chose the BW

 

[caraholic]

Trying to decide between these two cars now for a new daily.

 

[zumbooruk]

you might want to read the entire thread quoted below

I was cross shopping the FL5 against 4BW (not 5BW)

my main criteria was (and still is) "fun for me to drive" excellent manual transmission (no automatic I won't be caught dead in one unless it is my hearse...), and superb handling.

everything else was secondary, reliability, four doors, practical, large trunk, etc.

I was seriously considering the 4BW as it is more "fun for me to drive" but less practical and less reliable, until I realized that it will not fit in my short end of the garage...

love my FL5, no regrets.

my understanding that the CT5 is the "big heavy v8" designed/optimized for straight line (which I could care less about), whereas the CT4 has closer gear ratio, and was designed/optimized for the track...

the CT4-V just about the size of the CTR, actually slightly smaller inside, it is indeed 700lb heavier than the CTR, but it is supposed to be fairly nimble, and fun-to-drive.

the CTR is 10lb/hp whereas the 4BW is only 8lb/hp

per one review: The Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing, despite being approximately 700 pounds heavier than the Honda Civic Type R, manages to feel much lighter than its actual weight suggests. This is largely due to its well-tuned chassis and advanced suspension system. The Blackwing's weight is distributed across a rear-wheel-drive platform, which contributes to its balanced handling characteristics.

based on the review I read, the Tremec transmission is supposed to be as good as, if not better than, the Honda: The Tremec six-speed manual in the CT4-V Blackwing features a well-weighted clutch pedal with predictable engagement. The clutch picks up at an intuitive point in the pedal travel, making it easy to modulate. Drivers have praised its smooth engagement. it is widely praised for its exceptional precision and feel. Shifts are described as smooth and taut. The gearbox is noted for its crispness, with some drivers considering it superior to other performance cars in its class. The Blackwing's transmission provides excellent feedback to the driver. The gear changes are described as seamless, and the overall experience is highly communicative. This feedback contributes to the car's engaging driving dynamics

and it does not have the 1st/2nd shifting issue... which, BTW, I have been experiencing with my 2007 Si :-(

I love my Si, but I want to get a new fun-to-drive manual car before the manuals go extinct.

my first and only car I considered was the CTR, but then I started thinking...

I am planning to test drive the CT4-V Blackwing MT this weekend, and will report back

 

[jtlctr]

(no automatic I won't be caught dead in one unless it is my hearse...)

Ya know, I might just have to stipulate in my will that my hearse must have a manual swap.

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